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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0611dc8a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0611dc8a/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..98a7250fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0611dc8a/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody.<br>We've pretty much all agreed (or at least, everybody who has bothered to respond agreed) that we are going to go with the logo in the bottom right corner with the more prominent shadow, the drop-shadow.<br> + +Now, some people thought that it still isn't very visible. I personally think it looks great, but I am only one person.<br>So, I mad two more mockups: a greyscale logo and a white logo. (I tried a black logo and it was just awful).<br> +Grayscale: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg</a><br>White: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg</a><br>Natural: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg</a><br> +Please disregard JPEG artifacts, we will distribute the images as PNGs.<br>Please respond with your thoughts.<br>Again, the final position of the logo will depend on the resolution of the image so that it won't interfere with the KDE taskbar.<br> +Max<br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0611dc8a/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0611dc8a/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..98a7250fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0611dc8a/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody.<br>We've pretty much all agreed (or at least, everybody who has bothered to respond agreed) that we are going to go with the logo in the bottom right corner with the more prominent shadow, the drop-shadow.<br> + +Now, some people thought that it still isn't very visible. I personally think it looks great, but I am only one person.<br>So, I mad two more mockups: a greyscale logo and a white logo. (I tried a black logo and it was just awful).<br> +Grayscale: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg</a><br>White: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg</a><br>Natural: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg</a><br> +Please disregard JPEG artifacts, we will distribute the images as PNGs.<br>Please respond with your thoughts.<br>Again, the final position of the logo will depend on the resolution of the image so that it won't interfere with the KDE taskbar.<br> +Max<br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0cc15398/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0cc15398/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..013c8bcf9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0cc15398/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<div dir="ltr">Are we or are we not allowed to change the colors of the logo?<br>If so, to what colors can we change it?<br>Here we are, after having been chastised for manipulating the logo in the installer screens trying to do our damnedest not to manipulate the logo for the background and still make it look good. And then you come in and say "oh, but what about <b>this</b>?"<br> +<br>I wish that this were better defined, and that the council members had gotten involve earlier in the process.<br>Same deal with the installer screens. You can't sit there silently throughout the whole creative process, and then come in at the deadline and say "no, we can't do that".<br> +That hurts, a lot.<br>It means that all of the work we have been doing until now isn't good enough. And when I do take initiative and reach out to council members asking "<b>this</b> is what we want to do, is that OK with you?" I get volumes of silence. But then, a week before everything needs to be finished you guys come in and say "Oh, what's been going on? This? no, that's not good enough".<br> +It's enough to make one resentful.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:39, Donald Stewart <<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> + +> Background wise, its just a matter of putting the chosen logo on,<br> +> which will not take me long.<br> +> I wont pass judgement until I have seen the white monochrome logo,<br> +> however I was planning on trying with a greyscale one.<br> +<br> +</div>Go ahead. I pushed a white/transparent mageia logo in<br> +<a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png</a><br> +and <a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg</a>.<br> +<br> +This is very rough, but here's a comparison sample with a white<br> +printout of the logo:<br> +<a href="http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html" target="_blank">http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html</a> .<br> +<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0cc15398/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0cc15398/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..013c8bcf9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/0cc15398/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<div dir="ltr">Are we or are we not allowed to change the colors of the logo?<br>If so, to what colors can we change it?<br>Here we are, after having been chastised for manipulating the logo in the installer screens trying to do our damnedest not to manipulate the logo for the background and still make it look good. And then you come in and say "oh, but what about <b>this</b>?"<br> +<br>I wish that this were better defined, and that the council members had gotten involve earlier in the process.<br>Same deal with the installer screens. You can't sit there silently throughout the whole creative process, and then come in at the deadline and say "no, we can't do that".<br> +That hurts, a lot.<br>It means that all of the work we have been doing until now isn't good enough. And when I do take initiative and reach out to council members asking "<b>this</b> is what we want to do, is that OK with you?" I get volumes of silence. But then, a week before everything needs to be finished you guys come in and say "Oh, what's been going on? This? no, that's not good enough".<br> +It's enough to make one resentful.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:39, Donald Stewart <<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> + +> Background wise, its just a matter of putting the chosen logo on,<br> +> which will not take me long.<br> +> I wont pass judgement until I have seen the white monochrome logo,<br> +> however I was planning on trying with a greyscale one.<br> +<br> +</div>Go ahead. I pushed a white/transparent mageia logo in<br> +<a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png</a><br> +and <a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg</a>.<br> +<br> +This is very rough, but here's a comparison sample with a white<br> +printout of the logo:<br> +<a href="http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html" target="_blank">http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html</a> .<br> +<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/574ba0df/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/574ba0df/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d218a78d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/574ba0df/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +With white logo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/2 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +Le 02/04/2012 22:22, Max Quarterpleen a écrit :<br> +<div class="im">> Hi everybody.<br> +> We've pretty much all agreed (or at least, everybody who has bothered to<br> +> respond agreed) that we are going to go with the logo in the bottom<br> +> right corner with the more prominent shadow, the drop-shadow.<br> +> Now, some people thought that it still isn't very visible. I personally<br> +> think it looks great, but I am only one person.<br> +> So, I mad two more mockups: a greyscale logo and a white logo. (I tried<br> +> a black logo and it was just awful).<br> +> Grayscale: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg</a><br> +> White: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg</a><br> +> Natural: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg</a><br> +<br> +</div>My favorite goes to natural one<br> +<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> +<br> +--<br> +<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br> +</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/574ba0df/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/574ba0df/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d218a78d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/574ba0df/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +With white logo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/2 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +Le 02/04/2012 22:22, Max Quarterpleen a écrit :<br> +<div class="im">> Hi everybody.<br> +> We've pretty much all agreed (or at least, everybody who has bothered to<br> +> respond agreed) that we are going to go with the logo in the bottom<br> +> right corner with the more prominent shadow, the drop-shadow.<br> +> Now, some people thought that it still isn't very visible. I personally<br> +> think it looks great, but I am only one person.<br> +> So, I mad two more mockups: a greyscale logo and a white logo. (I tried<br> +> a black logo and it was just awful).<br> +> Grayscale: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg</a><br> +> White: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg</a><br> +> Natural: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg</a><br> +<br> +</div>My favorite goes to natural one<br> +<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> +<br> +--<br> +<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br> +</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/7f50d789/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/7f50d789/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab61807cd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/7f50d789/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:32, Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> So far it looks like people like the logo with a drop shadow in the<br> +> bottom-right corner of the screen. Anne, please have a look and make sure<br> +> that this does not violate the logo rules:<br> +> <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5" target="_blank">http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5</a><br> +> If that is OK we'll start putting the logo in the different resolutions,<br> +> making sure that it fits nicely in the KDE environment (GNOME and XFCE are<br> +> less of a problem in this regard).<br> +<br> +</div>Dark logo on dark background: too dark. With such a dark background,<br> +you may preferably use a white monochrome version of the logo;<br> +otherwise, like here, you better have no logo at all.<br></blockquote><div><br>I think it actually fits in very nicely with the coloration and flow of the image. A white monochrome will be quite jarring.<br>And having no logo at all is an option, but it's kinda weak. I mean, we do want it to be obvious that this is Mageia, a unique Linux distro.<br> +</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/7f50d789/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/7f50d789/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab61807cd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/7f50d789/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:32, Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> So far it looks like people like the logo with a drop shadow in the<br> +> bottom-right corner of the screen. Anne, please have a look and make sure<br> +> that this does not violate the logo rules:<br> +> <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5" target="_blank">http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5</a><br> +> If that is OK we'll start putting the logo in the different resolutions,<br> +> making sure that it fits nicely in the KDE environment (GNOME and XFCE are<br> +> less of a problem in this regard).<br> +<br> +</div>Dark logo on dark background: too dark. With such a dark background,<br> +you may preferably use a white monochrome version of the logo;<br> +otherwise, like here, you better have no logo at all.<br></blockquote><div><br>I think it actually fits in very nicely with the coloration and flow of the image. A white monochrome will be quite jarring.<br>And having no logo at all is an option, but it's kinda weak. I mean, we do want it to be obvious that this is Mageia, a unique Linux distro.<br> +</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/80e27e77/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/80e27e77/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bfa3d5b3b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/80e27e77/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:41, Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny <<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>><br> +> wrote:<br> +</div><div class="im">>> Dark logo on dark background: too dark. With such a dark background,<br> +>> you may preferably use a white monochrome version of the logo;<br> +>> otherwise, like here, you better have no logo at all.<br> +><br> +> I think it actually fits in very nicely with the coloration and flow of the<br> +> image.<br> +<br> +</div>It does not. The logo is not clear, indistinguishable from the<br> +background but still playing with it, with no contrast. It hurts both<br> +the logo and the background.</blockquote><div> </div><div>I asked a friend who is colorblind in the red spectrum about the visibility of the logo in this image: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/u4jfv.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/u4jfv.jpg</a> (disregard the JPEG artifacts, Imgur doesn't like PNGs for some reason).<br> +He said that he can see it fine, it doesn't disappear into the image. Unfortunately I don't have a friend who is colorblind in the blues, but I do see how in that case it could be a problem.<br>Also, I played with my screen brightness and contrast, and there are a few settings where the logo disappears. However, with common "natural" settings it appears quite visible.<br> +<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">___________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/80e27e77/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/80e27e77/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bfa3d5b3b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/80e27e77/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:41, Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny <<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>><br> +> wrote:<br> +</div><div class="im">>> Dark logo on dark background: too dark. With such a dark background,<br> +>> you may preferably use a white monochrome version of the logo;<br> +>> otherwise, like here, you better have no logo at all.<br> +><br> +> I think it actually fits in very nicely with the coloration and flow of the<br> +> image.<br> +<br> +</div>It does not. The logo is not clear, indistinguishable from the<br> +background but still playing with it, with no contrast. It hurts both<br> +the logo and the background.</blockquote><div> </div><div>I asked a friend who is colorblind in the red spectrum about the visibility of the logo in this image: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/u4jfv.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/u4jfv.jpg</a> (disregard the JPEG artifacts, Imgur doesn't like PNGs for some reason).<br> +He said that he can see it fine, it doesn't disappear into the image. Unfortunately I don't have a friend who is colorblind in the blues, but I do see how in that case it could be a problem.<br>Also, I played with my screen brightness and contrast, and there are a few settings where the logo disappears. However, with common "natural" settings it appears quite visible.<br> +<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">___________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/8eece91c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/8eece91c/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a3ae0d16 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/8eece91c/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +<div dir="ltr">Also, I tried CCing this to the council list and was denied because I am not subscribed, even though I am.<br>So until we get that little bit fixed, could somebody please CC this to COuncil?<br>Thanks.<br><br> +<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Max Quarterpleen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div dir="ltr">Are we or are we not allowed to change the colors of the logo?<br>If so, to what colors can we change it?<br>Here we are, after having been chastised for manipulating the logo in the installer screens trying to do our damnedest not to manipulate the logo for the background and still make it look good. And then you come in and say "oh, but what about <b>this</b>?"<br> + +<br>I wish that this were better defined, and that the council members had gotten involve earlier in the process.<br>Same deal with the installer screens. You can't sit there silently throughout the whole creative process, and then come in at the deadline and say "no, we can't do that".<br> + +That hurts, a lot.<br>It means that all of the work we have been doing until now isn't good enough. And when I do take initiative and reach out to council members asking "<b>this</b> is what we want to do, is that OK with you?" I get volumes of silence. But then, a week before everything needs to be finished you guys come in and say "Oh, what's been going on? This? no, that's not good enough".<br> + +It's enough to make one resentful.<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> + +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:39, Donald Stewart <<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> + + +> Background wise, its just a matter of putting the chosen logo on,<br> +> which will not take me long.<br> +> I wont pass judgement until I have seen the white monochrome logo,<br> +> however I was planning on trying with a greyscale one.<br> +<br> +</div>Go ahead. I pushed a white/transparent mageia logo in<br> +<a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png</a><br> +and <a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg</a>.<br> +<br> +This is very rough, but here's a comparison sample with a white<br> +printout of the logo:<br> +<a href="http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html" target="_blank">http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html</a> .<br> +<div><div>_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> +</blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/8eece91c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/8eece91c/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a3ae0d16 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/8eece91c/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +<div dir="ltr">Also, I tried CCing this to the council list and was denied because I am not subscribed, even though I am.<br>So until we get that little bit fixed, could somebody please CC this to COuncil?<br>Thanks.<br><br> +<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Max Quarterpleen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div dir="ltr">Are we or are we not allowed to change the colors of the logo?<br>If so, to what colors can we change it?<br>Here we are, after having been chastised for manipulating the logo in the installer screens trying to do our damnedest not to manipulate the logo for the background and still make it look good. And then you come in and say "oh, but what about <b>this</b>?"<br> + +<br>I wish that this were better defined, and that the council members had gotten involve earlier in the process.<br>Same deal with the installer screens. You can't sit there silently throughout the whole creative process, and then come in at the deadline and say "no, we can't do that".<br> + +That hurts, a lot.<br>It means that all of the work we have been doing until now isn't good enough. And when I do take initiative and reach out to council members asking "<b>this</b> is what we want to do, is that OK with you?" I get volumes of silence. But then, a week before everything needs to be finished you guys come in and say "Oh, what's been going on? This? no, that's not good enough".<br> + +It's enough to make one resentful.<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> + +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:39, Donald Stewart <<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> + + +> Background wise, its just a matter of putting the chosen logo on,<br> +> which will not take me long.<br> +> I wont pass judgement until I have seen the white monochrome logo,<br> +> however I was planning on trying with a greyscale one.<br> +<br> +</div>Go ahead. I pushed a white/transparent mageia logo in<br> +<a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.png</a><br> +and <a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011_white_transparent.svg</a>.<br> +<br> +This is very rough, but here's a comparison sample with a white<br> +printout of the logo:<br> +<a href="http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html" target="_blank">http://www.2shared.com/photo/NdO_P4fk/mga-wp-logo-testing.html</a> .<br> +<div><div>_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> +</blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/97bb948d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/97bb948d/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..460f0c26a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/97bb948d/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +With white logo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/2 Max Quarterpleen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody.<br>We've pretty much all agreed (or at least, everybody who has bothered to respond agreed) that we are going to go with the logo in the bottom right corner with the more prominent shadow, the drop-shadow.<br> + + +Now, some people thought that it still isn't very visible. I personally think it looks great, but I am only one person.<br>So, I mad two more mockups: a greyscale logo and a white logo. (I tried a black logo and it was just awful).<br> + +Grayscale: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg</a><br>White: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg</a><br>Natural: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg</a><br> + +Please disregard JPEG artifacts, we will distribute the images as PNGs.<br>Please respond with your thoughts.<br>Again, the final position of the logo will depend on the resolution of the image so that it won't interfere with the KDE taskbar.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> + +Max<br></font></span></div> +<br>_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/97bb948d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/97bb948d/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..460f0c26a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/97bb948d/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +With white logo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/2 Max Quarterpleen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody.<br>We've pretty much all agreed (or at least, everybody who has bothered to respond agreed) that we are going to go with the logo in the bottom right corner with the more prominent shadow, the drop-shadow.<br> + + +Now, some people thought that it still isn't very visible. I personally think it looks great, but I am only one person.<br>So, I mad two more mockups: a greyscale logo and a white logo. (I tried a black logo and it was just awful).<br> + +Grayscale: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/5WOFr.jpg</a><br>White: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/yVsNd.jpg</a><br>Natural: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/1rdLL.jpg</a><br> + +Please disregard JPEG artifacts, we will distribute the images as PNGs.<br>Please respond with your thoughts.<br>Again, the final position of the logo will depend on the resolution of the image so that it won't interfere with the KDE taskbar.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> + +Max<br></font></span></div> +<br>_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/b748e67e/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/b748e67e/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d7ec30d83 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/b748e67e/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +2012/4/2 Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>>:<br> +<br> +Thanks for the very quick answer<br> +<div class="im"><br> +> Installer images: Sad to say that little progress has been made. We have<br> +> some ideas, but no feedback and no actual images. Yet.<br> +<br> +</div>If needed let's have a meeting. This is going nowhere even if you all<br> +have good ideas. We need to get a result now<br></blockquote><div><br>I'm going to see if we can schedule an impromptu meeting before Wednesday to discuss this and start work done, and then another on Wednesday.<br> </div> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im"><br> +> Backgrounds: We were discussing where to put the Mageia logo in the<br> +> background images and have nearly reached a consensus. Schultz has already<br> +> made several images with different resolutions. As soon as we know where and<br> +> how to put the logo we will.<br> +<br> +</div>Please go on. RC is planned in 1 week and all artwork should be integrated<br></blockquote><div><br>So far it looks like people like the logo with a drop shadow in the bottom-right corner of the screen. Anne, please have a look and make sure that this does not violate the logo rules: <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5">http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5</a><br> +If that is OK we'll start putting the logo in the different resolutions, making sure that it fits nicely in the KDE environment (GNOME and XFCE are less of a problem in this regard).<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<div class="im"><br> +> Boot: Schultz said he would be working on that, I don't know exactly how<br> +> much progress he has made.<br> +<br> +</div>Schultz, any input on this ?<br> +<div class="im HOEnZb">><br> +><br> +> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Anne Nicolas <<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>> wrote:<br> +>><br> +>> Hi guys<br> +>><br> +>> Quick question to review work on installer images, backgrounds and boot.<br> +>> This is getting quite an emergency now. Please answer as soon as possible<br> +>> --<br> +>> <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br> +>> _______________________________________________<br> +>> Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +>> <a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +>> <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +><br> +><br> +><br> +> _______________________________________________<br> +> Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +> <a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +> <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +><br> +<br> +<br> +<br> +</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br> +Anne<br> +<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br> +</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/b748e67e/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/b748e67e/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d7ec30d83 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/b748e67e/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +2012/4/2 Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>>:<br> +<br> +Thanks for the very quick answer<br> +<div class="im"><br> +> Installer images: Sad to say that little progress has been made. We have<br> +> some ideas, but no feedback and no actual images. Yet.<br> +<br> +</div>If needed let's have a meeting. This is going nowhere even if you all<br> +have good ideas. We need to get a result now<br></blockquote><div><br>I'm going to see if we can schedule an impromptu meeting before Wednesday to discuss this and start work done, and then another on Wednesday.<br> </div> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im"><br> +> Backgrounds: We were discussing where to put the Mageia logo in the<br> +> background images and have nearly reached a consensus. Schultz has already<br> +> made several images with different resolutions. As soon as we know where and<br> +> how to put the logo we will.<br> +<br> +</div>Please go on. RC is planned in 1 week and all artwork should be integrated<br></blockquote><div><br>So far it looks like people like the logo with a drop shadow in the bottom-right corner of the screen. Anne, please have a look and make sure that this does not violate the logo rules: <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5">http://www.mediafire.com/?uo3yah8myxpa1j5</a><br> +If that is OK we'll start putting the logo in the different resolutions, making sure that it fits nicely in the KDE environment (GNOME and XFCE are less of a problem in this regard).<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<div class="im"><br> +> Boot: Schultz said he would be working on that, I don't know exactly how<br> +> much progress he has made.<br> +<br> +</div>Schultz, any input on this ?<br> +<div class="im HOEnZb">><br> +><br> +> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Anne Nicolas <<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>> wrote:<br> +>><br> +>> Hi guys<br> +>><br> +>> Quick question to review work on installer images, backgrounds and boot.<br> +>> This is getting quite an emergency now. Please answer as soon as possible<br> +>> --<br> +>> <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br> +>> _______________________________________________<br> +>> Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +>> <a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +>> <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +><br> +><br> +><br> +> _______________________________________________<br> +> Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +> <a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +> <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +><br> +<br> +<br> +<br> +</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br> +Anne<br> +<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br> +</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/be161ecc/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/be161ecc/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..73f2f9e5a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/be161ecc/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><ul><li>Installer images: Sad to say that little progress has been made. We have some ideas, but no feedback and no actual images. Yet.</li><li>Backgrounds: We were discussing where to put the Mageia logo in the background images and have nearly reached a consensus. Schultz has already made several images with different resolutions. As soon as we know where and how to put the logo we will.</li> +<li>Boot: Schultz said he would be working on that, I don't know exactly how much progress he has made.<br></li></ul><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi guys<br> +<br> +Quick question to review work on installer images, backgrounds and boot.<br> +This is getting quite an emergency now. Please answer as soon as possible<br> +<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br> +<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/be161ecc/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/be161ecc/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..73f2f9e5a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-artwork/attachments/20120402/be161ecc/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><ul><li>Installer images: Sad to say that little progress has been made. We have some ideas, but no feedback and no actual images. Yet.</li><li>Backgrounds: We were discussing where to put the Mageia logo in the background images and have nearly reached a consensus. Schultz has already made several images with different resolutions. As soon as we know where and how to put the logo we will.</li> +<li>Boot: Schultz said he would be working on that, I don't know exactly how much progress he has made.<br></li></ul><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi guys<br> +<br> +Quick question to review work on installer images, backgrounds and boot.<br> +This is getting quite an emergency now. Please answer as soon as possible<br> +<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br> +<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-artwork mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-artwork@mageia.org">Mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-artwork</a><br> +</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div> |