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| author | Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> | 2013-04-14 13:46:12 +0000 |
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I assume +</I>>><i> people won't understand that it'll log anyways, just in memory. So no +</I>>><i> point in giving an option that does not do what people might expect. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just one point about this. It was said during meeting that having +</I>><i> journalctl by default could break some other software like fail2ban. +</I>><i> This should be checked. +</I> +Yes this is pretty much the issue I'm trying to address really. + +e.g. basesystem package already requires systemd, so there is little +point in it requiring syslog-daemon too as this is always satisified by +systemd at present. + +My proposal was originally to add a new dep "system-logger" and allow +systemd to satify that. In the process I would remove the dep from +various packages that currently have it (cronie, postfix) as systemd is +now a required component anyway and journald will capture their logs +happily. The final part would be identifying packages, like fail2ban, +which parse these logs and therefore do genuinely need something to +satisfy syslog-daemon requires. + +In the future, fail2ban will have direct journal integration (posted the +link earlier) and thus we can drop the dep when the time comes. + +So, I think what I'll do for now, is basically: + +1. Forget about system-logger provide/require. It's not needed. +2. Make systemd not provide syslog-daemon. +3. Drop syslog-daemon require from basesystem* pkgs. +4. Drop syslog-daemon require from cronie and postfix (and others where +it's not strictly needed any more). +5. Ensure fail2ban does have a require. +6. Start writing some docs here and there about it. + +Feel free to chime in on points 4 & 5 (I'm too stupid to know the right +urpm* commands to work out what pkgs currently require syslog-daemon to +evaluate if they really do need it. Also if people can think of any +other log parsers like fail2ban, please let me know so we can make sure +they have the right requires. + +Cheers + +Col + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="022658.html">[Mageia-dev] Logging + Provides/Requires (Re: [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="022588.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#22661">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#22661">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#22661">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#22661">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |