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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 12 mars 2012 &#224; 08:29 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> to get back on topic: perhaps it's not unreasonable to allow a timelimit
+</I>&gt;<i> exception, like for instance 3 or 4 days where &quot;i forgot it was freeze or
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't make it in time AND it's not likely to mess everything up&quot; kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> reason...
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+That was already discussed when we discussed the release cycle. And
+basically, that would just &quot;let's reduce the freeze by 3/4 days in a
+more inefficient way&quot;. You just move the bickering at the 3/4 days limit
+( &quot;but it could have bene if I had submitted yesterday&quot; ) instead of the
+beggining of the freeze, and you take time to the people who are
+submitting, since they get message, have to warn packager about &quot;it
+doesn't work&quot; ( as it happened several time last freeze period ).
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+So next time, maybe we should have a pure good faith based system,
+instead of enforcing it with youri, since every attempt to enforce lead
+to discussion. This way :
+- we do not change anything, so no time to invest in too much
+communication
+- no time lost by sysadmin to put the freeze, even if that's minor
+( except when stuff break )
+- everybody can do as he see fit
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+&gt;<i> (about communication: maybe it's more prudent to have a messagebox above
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> telling us about various freezes and upcoming
+</I>&gt;<i> soon freezes, even though as a packager it's my task to read meeting logs and
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping myself up2date)
+</I>
+Patch welcome, but frankly, I think there is a point where the duty of
+being informed must be on the packagers. It is rather depressing to
+realize that people do not read the announce you send ( and what is more
+depressing is the number of those that don't once you start to dig out
+).
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+If some people missed the announce, maybe we should ask them &quot;where do
+you read information about the project and where don't you read&quot;, so we
+can identify the communication channel that should be used and those
+that shouldn't, as i am not sure that hammering more is the solution.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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