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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+ <I>Mon Jul 30 14:49:41 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Am 30.07.2012 14:41, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/30 Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28 June 2012 02:51, Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of&quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; (mga#3791)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oups, why that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I'm concerned no deadkeys is the default for German users and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that's good!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any reasons for this change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Call it &quot;Competitive analysis&quot; if you want. Keyboards comes with those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> little keys that are meant to produce accented characters in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> combination with regular letters, and this how it works on Windows,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the platform most users will migrate from, and also on Mac OS X.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regular users don't have any use of stand-alone-accent-characters. And
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> even with deadkeys it is easy to produce the standalone accent by just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pressing the key twice (so you can get backticks easily).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you're a programmer and are using a nodeadkeys variant for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason, you're not the target population of a suggested default. (If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you know what is meant with &quot;deadkeys&quot; and &quot;nodeadkeys&quot;, you're not in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> target of that dialog, and have the knowledge to not accept the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> default, but choose the nodeadkeys variant that is listed right next
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to the regular variant).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The variant with deadkeys is called &quot;German&quot; without any addition for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a reason. If nodeadkeys were the expected/more common choice, then it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be &quot;German (international)&quot; or &quot;German (deadkeys)&quot;, like it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the case for the US-variants.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So Olivier, do you agree with that change or not?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be logical but German users have been taught to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;nodeadkeys&quot; for ages. Changing this now just because of semantics
+</I>&gt;<i> does not seem to be a wise move (I always use &quot;German&quot;). But OTOH it
+</I>&gt;<i> is not such a big thing. It will cause the usual number of questions
+</I>&gt;<i> in the forums (&quot;MAG3 breaks my keyboard!&quot;) but this will vanish over
+</I>&gt;<i> the years. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This must have slipped my mind...
+I concur with wobo. This change will cause such forums posts but that
+will be solved soon after Mga3 release.
+The question is, how do other distros do it? A colleague just told me,
+his Ubuntu chose the no dead key variant by default.
+What about Fedora and openSUSE or don't we care at all?
+
+As for myself, I will just change it back on my systems so it's no big deal.
+
+Oliver
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
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