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Actually, the ruby community has a strong focus on test +</I>><i> driven development. Since that library is broken with ruby 1.9, it won’t +</I>><i> pass the first test. So no worries here. Actually, I’m pretty sure it +</I>><i> couldn’t even stay on the machine just because it is linked against +</I>><i> libruby.so.1.8, and we provide libruby.so.1.9. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In the ruby policy I added as a requirement a +</I>><i> Requires: ruby(abi) = version +</I>><i> I’m pleased to see this is now an automatic thing, meaning that a +</I>><i> package that’s doesn’t build won’t stand a chance to stay on people’s +</I>><i> machine. +</I> +Yes, but keep in mind that the task-obsolete thing is not just about +ruby and it also shouldn't rely on people not being lazy and releasing +something. Perhaps their app is not for public release anyway. + +So sadly, we can't design mechanisms around this structure. + +><i> That being said it still requires human intervention to remove it from +</I>><i> the mirrors. +</I> +I wonder if we could have a helper that runs on svn commit hook when a +package is moved to the old tree? That would avoid the task-obsolete +"abuse" but still doesn't provide a mechanism to remove from users +machines... + +><i> To me this is a rather sane way to deal with the problem, because it’s +</I>><i> self-explanatory: the package can’t stay because its requirements are +</I>><i> not met. If you add it to task-obsolete, you provide no reason to the +</I>><i> user, most of the time the explanation is only a comment in +</I>><i> task-obsolete’s spec file. +</I> +This only works when it's true :) Sometimes a package is dropped because +it doesn't build with newer gcc and there is no maintainer or enough +users to merit it being fixed. Lots of things other than "requirements +not met" result in packages being dropped. And if they are dropped they +are not supported and we do not accept bug reports etc. etc. These +packages should, in theory, be removed from a users machine unless the +user takes very specific action to block this. + +Personally I'd be more in favour of expanding the urpmq --not-available +system. It could just be beefed up to allow exclusions (like skip.list, +but rather a keep.list). Then a urpme --not-available could be added to +remove any no longer available packages. + +This would require GUI enhancements but it might be a good compromise here. + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="020735.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: ruby-ParseTree +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="020733.html">[Mageia-dev] The «task-obsolete» debate [Was: Package drop request: ruby-ParseTree] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#20736">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#20736">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#20736">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#20736">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |