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After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) questions the +</I>><i> fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware or +</I>><i> microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards and +</I>><i> peripherals. +</I> +In fact, this bother a lot of people : + +People who write coreboot for example ( <A HREF="http://www.coreboot.org">http://www.coreboot.org</A> ). The project started +because someone wanted to be sure that his cluster didn't have bios problem. It is a daunting +task to hit any key on 1000 servers, especially if none of them have a keyboard. + +People who just want to know how the pc work, for example, students in low level system. +Lack of source doesn't really help to understand and learn, at least for the average +people. + +People who maybe want to understand why the driver they wrote broke with firmware update +( happened on some Apple laptop because apple updated something that broke video driver on linux ). +Or why it work with some card and not some other, since they have a different firmware. + +People who wonder if their TPM chips is really under their control or not. Maybe a bunch of +loonies. Maybe they are just ex sony customers screwed by their vendor, or people +who had 1984 on their Kindle before Amazon removed it. + +Or simply people that want to know what was fixed for their hardware. +( <A HREF="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594</A> ). Or just +want to avoid security issues ( <A HREF="https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html">https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html</A> ). +Or avoid waiting 5 minutes delay when booting a server for likely no good reason. + +Or people that have trouble because the lack of free software in their area +prevent them from doing their work as security researcher, as demonstrated by +the project Osmocombb ( <A HREF="http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/">http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/</A> ). + +But, yes maybe if we remove some security researchers, some cluster admins, +some people that would prefer to not be screwed by vendor, some kernel developpers, +some impatient sysadmins, some students, some coders and RMS, there is no one who +question it. + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003724.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003727.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3725">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3725">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3725">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3725">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |