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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-bugsquad%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20Bugzilla%3A%20NEEDDATA%20tag%20on%20whiteboard%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C505ECBFD.4010202%40xs4all.nl%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla: NEEDDATA tag on whiteboard?">marja11 at xs4all.nl
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+ <I>Sun Sep 23 10:44:45 CEST 2012</I>
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+Hi everyone,
+
+About this list:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=sysadmin&amp;sharer_id=69">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=sysadmin&amp;sharer_id=69</A>
+
+I understand some of those bugs can only be worked on by someone who
+has sysadmin access.
+
+Is that correct?
+
+If not, stop reading, thanks for your attention :-D
+
+
+
+If so, shall we ask people who want to help by working on them, to put
+&quot;NEEDDATA&quot; on the whiteboard because the needed data are only
+available to people in sysadmin team?
+
+The search for people who want to help, but are not in the team, could
+then be replaced by a search that removes the bugs with &quot;NEEDDATA&quot; on
+the whiteboard.
+
+Cheers,
+Marja
+
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-bugsquad%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20Bugzilla%3A%20NEEDDATA%20tag%20on%20whiteboard%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201209231356.46210.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla: NEEDDATA tag on whiteboard?">stormi at laposte.net
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+<PRE>We must be careful about adding new keywords, and try to make sure people
+understand them. I must admit the meaning of NEEDDATA here is not very clear
+to me. All those bugs are already assigned to sysadmins, sysadmins should be
+the ones who triage their own bugs once assigned, in my opinion.
+
+Samuel
+
+Le dimanche 23 septembre 2012 10:44:45, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About this list:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=sy">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=sy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> sadmin&amp;sharer_id=69
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand some of those bugs can only be worked on by someone who
+</I>&gt;<i> has sysadmin access.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that correct?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, stop reading, thanks for your attention :-D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so, shall we ask people who want to help by working on them, to put
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;NEEDDATA&quot; on the whiteboard because the needed data are only
+</I>&gt;<i> available to people in sysadmin team?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The search for people who want to help, but are not in the team, could
+</I>&gt;<i> then be replaced by a search that removes the bugs with &quot;NEEDDATA&quot; on
+</I>&gt;<i> the whiteboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marja
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">Mageia-bugsquad at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad</A>
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-bugsquad%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-sysadm%5D%20Bugzilla%3A%20NEEDDATA%20tag%20on%0A%09whiteboard%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C505EFB73.1080803%40xs4all.nl%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-sysadm] Bugzilla: NEEDDATA tag on whiteboard?">marja11 at xs4all.nl
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+On 23/09/2012 13:56, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+&gt;<i> We must be careful about adding new keywords, and try to make sure
+</I>&gt;<i> people understand them. I must admit the meaning of NEEDDATA here
+</I>&gt;<i> is not very clear to me. All those bugs are already assigned to
+</I>&gt;<i> sysadmins, sysadmins should be the ones who triage their own bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> once assigned, in my opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry for not having been clear. The reason I cc'd mageia-bugsquad, is
+because, if anything like this would be needed (that in the first
+place) and done, bugsquad should know about it.
+
+Only sysadmins and people helping with sysadmin bugs should be the
+ones, *if* this or a similar proposal is accepted, to add this on the
+whiteboard.
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2012 14:07, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 23/09/2012 13:56, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We must be careful about adding new keywords, and try to make sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people understand them. I must admit the meaning of NEEDDATA here
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is not very clear to me. All those bugs are already assigned to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sysadmins, sysadmins should be the ones who triage their own bugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> once assigned, in my opinion.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for not having been clear. The reason I cc'd mageia-bugsquad, is
+</I>&gt;<i> because, if anything like this would be needed (that in the first
+</I>&gt;<i> place) and done, bugsquad should know about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only sysadmins and people helping with sysadmin bugs should be the
+</I>&gt;<i> ones, *if* this or a similar proposal is accepted, to add this on the
+</I>&gt;<i> whiteboard.
+</I>
+NEEDDATA seems a little confuse then ( and personally I don't care
+anymore about sysadmin bugs)
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+On 23/09/2012 20:15, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NEEDDATA seems a little confuse then ( and personally I don't care
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore about sysadmin bugs)
+</I>
+If this is done, they might come up with a better name.
+
+The idea was to make it easier for people who want to help with
+sysadmin bugs but are not in that team, to more easily find the ones
+they can work on without needing sysadmin rights, so without needing
+more data then publicly available.
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+Hi everyone,
+
+If plans haven't changed, one of the next blogs will be about our
+leader, leuhmanu :-D
+
+That might lead to a lot of new bug squad members joining us.
+
+However, until now we have *not* been very successful in keeping new
+members, nor in helping them to get started. :-(
+
+One thing that at least I did wrong: I expected that what worked for
+me, would work for them, without wondering whether they'd maybe be
+very different.
+
+What made it easier for me to get started and do a lot for bug squad
+(until I ended up in other teams) was:
+
+1. that I liked to read the documentation
+2. that I had Mdk + Mdv+ Mga experience
+3. that, after initially not really having time, I was able to free up
+ 16 hours a week
+4. that the idea that everyone could see my silliest mistakes, didn't
+terrify me (that's one of the upsides of getting older ;) )
+
+However, a new member might dislike reading documentation (but if
+that's the case, will he like reading bug reports?), might have no
+real Mga or similar experience, might have only a few hours a week
+available and might feel very uncomfortable about everything that he
+does in Bugzilla being visible &quot;for ever&quot;.
+
+So, instead of saying: &quot;read our documentation, read some bugs and
+then start&quot;, we should maybe first inquire who the new person is. How
+much time can he dedicate, how well does he know Mageia or other Linux
+distro's, is he used to working with the command line, does he like to
+read?
+
+Also, I know we don't have time to mentor people. However to make
+things less hard for newcomers, would it be an idea to let them start
+with doing reports about package requests or (if they have more Linux
+experience) needinfo bugs?
+
+Or should we consider to *make* time for mentoring?
+
+WDYT?
+
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+<PRE>Le 27/09/2012 14:34, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>Hi !
+&gt;<i> If plans haven't changed, one of the next blogs will be about our
+</I>&gt;<i> leader, leuhmanu :-D
+</I>Nothing in my mailbox for now 0:)
+&gt;<i> That might lead to a lot of new bug squad members joining us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, until now we have *not* been very successful in keeping new
+</I>&gt;<i> members, nor in helping them to get started. :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing that at least I did wrong: I expected that what worked for
+</I>&gt;<i> me, would work for them, without wondering whether they'd maybe be
+</I>&gt;<i> very different.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What made it easier for me to get started and do a lot for bug squad
+</I>&gt;<i> (until I ended up in other teams) was:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. that I liked to read the documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. that I had Mdk + Mdv+ Mga experience
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. that, after initially not really having time, I was able to free up
+</I>&gt;<i> 16 hours a week
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. that the idea that everyone could see my silliest mistakes, didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> terrify me (that's one of the upsides of getting older ;) )
+</I>2+4 seems &#224; require for me to not loose time for the new contrib, aka
+have a little experience in the rh/mdv/mga world and do not be afraid to
+make a blunder, there are enough people who read bugs@ to correct a mistake.
+And of courses we are here for any question (but a response can take a
+little time).
+
+&gt;<i> However, a new member might dislike reading documentation (but if
+</I>&gt;<i> that's the case, will he like reading bug reports?), might have no
+</I>&gt;<i> real Mga or similar experience, might have only a few hours a week
+</I>&gt;<i> available and might feel very uncomfortable about everything that he
+</I>&gt;<i> does in Bugzilla being visible &quot;for ever&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, instead of saying: &quot;read our documentation, read some bugs and
+</I>&gt;<i> then start&quot;, we should maybe first inquire who the new person is. How
+</I>&gt;<i> much time can he dedicate, how well does he know Mageia or other Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro's, is he used to working with the command line, does he like to
+</I>&gt;<i> read?
+</I>Yep, than will help to better assist newcomers.
+&gt;<i> Also, I know we don't have time to mentor people. However to make
+</I>&gt;<i> things less hard for newcomers, would it be an idea to let them start
+</I>&gt;<i> with doing reports about package requests or (if they have more Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> experience) needinfo bugs?
+</I>I don't see what we can ask for package requests (beside make them more
+readable, which will take 10mins (?) )
+
+For the needinfo bugs of courses, they could said if they reproduce,
+provide more info if they can etc, it should be our jobs too, but with
+our resources it's hard to do that for the most of issue.
+
+&gt;<i> Or should we consider to *make* time for mentoring?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>Why not, we could start with the good practice in the bugzilla, then
+each 1/2 week a new categories of bugs (installer/media/segfault
+bugs/specific rpms/etc)
+
+btw: as you have certainly see, I have less time than before, but can
+try to help newcomers if possible.
+(and I don't know why, with that above I have less patience for doing
+something :s)
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+On 28/09/2012 10:59, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 27/09/2012 14:34, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If plans haven't changed, one of the next blogs will be about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our leader, leuhmanu :-D
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing in my mailbox for now 0:)
+</I>
+Maybe I should ping someone ;)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> That might lead to a lot of new bug squad members joining us.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, until now we have *not* been very successful in keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new members, nor in helping them to get started. :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing that at least I did wrong: I expected that what worked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for me, would work for them, without wondering whether they'd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe be very different.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What made it easier for me to get started and do a lot for bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> squad (until I ended up in other teams) was:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. that I liked to read the documentation 2. that I had Mdk +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mdv+ Mga experience 3. that, after initially not really having
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time, I was able to free up 16 hours a week 4. that the idea that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone could see my silliest mistakes, didn't terrify me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (that's one of the upsides of getting older ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i> 2+4 seems &#224; require for me to not loose time for the new contrib,
+</I>&gt;<i> aka have a little experience in the rh/mdv/mga world and do not be
+</I>&gt;<i> afraid to make a blunder, there are enough people who read bugs@ to
+</I>&gt;<i> correct a mistake. And of courses we are here for any question (but
+</I>&gt;<i> a response can take a little time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree on making 2 + 4 requires. Is anyone against that?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> However, a new member might dislike reading documentation (but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if that's the case, will he like reading bug reports?), might
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have no real Mga or similar experience, might have only a few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hours a week available and might feel very uncomfortable about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything that he does in Bugzilla being visible &quot;for ever&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, instead of saying: &quot;read our documentation, read some bugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and then start&quot;, we should maybe first inquire who the new person
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is. How much time can he dedicate, how well does he know Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or other Linux distro's, is he used to working with the command
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> line, does he like to read?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, than will help to better assist newcomers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, I know we don't have time to mentor people. However to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make things less hard for newcomers, would it be an idea to let
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them start with doing reports about package requests or (if they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have more Linux experience) needinfo bugs?
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see what we can ask for package requests (beside make them
+</I>&gt;<i> more readable, which will take 10mins (?) )
+</I>
+For old ones: check whether they got packaged without anyone noticing
+(that happened before) and, if they got packaged for cauldron only,
+whether it is valid to package them for 2 + 1 as well.
+For new ones - and maybe some of the old ones too: check whether they
+were filed according to the rules -including good readability - and
+whether the package was in Mdv 2010.x
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the needinfo bugs of courses, they could said if they
+</I>&gt;<i> reproduce, provide more info if they can etc, it should be our jobs
+</I>&gt;<i> too, but with our resources it's hard to do that for the most of
+</I>&gt;<i> issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or should we consider to *make* time for mentoring?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not, we could start with the good practice in the bugzilla,
+</I>&gt;<i> then each 1/2 week a new categories of bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> (installer/media/segfault bugs/specific rpms/etc)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> btw: as you have certainly see, I have less time than before, but
+</I>&gt;<i> can try to help newcomers if possible. (and I don't know why, with
+</I>&gt;<i> that above I have less patience for doing something :s)
+</I>
+Don't worry, having little time makes impatient, that is normal. If
+you do help newcomers, then please forget about all the bugs you'd
+normally do. It is impossible to do both.
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