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Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-19 2109.eml create mode 100644 board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-19 2317.eml create mode 100644 board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Romain d'Alverny - 2012-05-20 1102.eml create mode 100644 board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2109.eml create mode 100644 board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-20 1023.eml create mode 100644 "board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1509-2.eml" create mode 100644 "board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1509.eml" create mode 100644 board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2004.eml create mode 100644 board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-18 1955.eml create mode 100644 board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-19 1257.eml create mode 100644 "board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/[board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1152.eml" create mode 100644 council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml create mode 100644 "council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" create mode 100644 council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-15 1023.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-15 1023.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6881a74 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-15 1023.eml @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> +Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:23:37 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Another mail from Mandriva +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + +Hi there + +Here is a second mail from Mr.Crozet we just received: + +In response to my email that day, I inform you that the Supervisory +Board adopted the principle of moving the development of the +distribution to an external entity to Mandriva SA. The legal form, +location and other details have not yet been addressed but should be +within a few weeks. + +In this context, I wish to associate, to the extent that you are +interested in a working group. It will be responsible for defining the +structure, function and manner of such entity. I expect a participation +as large as possible of the Mandriva Linux "ecosystem" (I do not like +that label), namely representatives of addition of Mandriva SA, Rosa, +Unity Linux, and some of the emblematic figures of French free software. + +Can you tell me quickly if you are interested in participating in this +working group? + +Feel free to call me to discuss. +--------------------------------------------- + +So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally) +think about this: +- Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our +own governance model and what is proposed here would change it +- Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it +- Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in +ecosystem but it will not change our principles + +WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow + +Cheers + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2236.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2236.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..7833144 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2236.eml @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:36:19 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: News from Mandriva +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Hi there + +rda and I received a mail today from Mr Crozet COO of Mandriva: + +Le Conseil de Surveillance de Mandriva SA a validé ma recommandation ce +jour et entérine le choix de Mageia comme base pour notre produit +business server. + +Pouvons-nous nous joindre par téléphone ou en personne prochainement +pour régler cette collaboration? Je souhaite pouvoir annoncer cette +bonne nouvelle dès que possible avant de mettre mes équipes au travail. + +which is + +the Supervisory Board of Mandriva SA has approved my recommendation that +day and endorses the choice of Mageia as the basis for our business +server product. + +We can reach us by phone or in person soon to resolve this +collaboration? I want to announce this good news as soon as possible +before putting my team at work. + +------------------- + +This is only about Mandriva server product. So it means Mandriva will be +part of Mageia ecosystem. They may contribute to Mageia in one way or +another, this still has to be fixed. We will call Mr Crozet to go on all +this. + +Please keep all this private for now, official communication should be +done very soon. + +Cheers + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-19 2027.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-19 2027.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b9511aa --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-19 2027.eml @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com> +Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:27:40 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Proposed mail for council people +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + +Hi there + +Here is a draft for council people (not using ML but mailing everybody). +Comment? This should be sent tonight so that we have time to work on +this properly + +Cheers + +-------------------- + +Hi everyone, + +I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following +last discussions with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset. + +================= + +so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to +get a status. + +He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) +http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. +So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +which Peroyvind (see +https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he +doesn't have the full story it seems). + +He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia +as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. +Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will +get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. + +He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes +goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does +mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on +our side too. + +So, here's a suggested plan: + + * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news: + - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation +project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), + - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech +platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back. + - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not +so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on +Mageia". + + * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to +propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - +interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and +this release news will hide partially the previous news. + +=================== + +It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will +make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told +about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and +organization which are now working quite well. + +So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain +it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement +is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of +its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content. + +So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published +on monday morning: +https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git "a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1033.eml" "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1033.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..40c0968 --- /dev/null +++ "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1033.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp94063oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:33:54 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.213.29.211 with SMTP id r19mr195182ebc.68.1337070834370; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:33:54 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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What I (personally) +>> think about this: +>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our +>> own governance model and what is proposed here would change it +>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it +>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in +>> ecosystem but it will not change our principles +>> +>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow +>> +> Fully agreed. +> - We should not accept any changes in our organizational structure on behalf +> of anyone except ourselves! +> - We should never give up our independence. The prize to the project would +> be too high. +> +> So if Mdv should insist on us changing anything, they can go along without +> us. + +Beware. What's proposed is slightly different: they're not proposing +to change Mageia, but for Mageia representatives to join their +workgroup for a foundation (and the said foundation afterwise). + +So it's more a matter of staying apart from their project with a clear +rationale, than changing Mageia at all: + - if we were to join their foundation, that probably wouldn't change +at all Mageia governance; only weaken its mission and blur the line, +because merging its participation into a separate, parent entity; + - if we were not to deal with their plan here, this would print +Mageia difference some more (because we'll need to explain we wouldn't +join them). diff --git "a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1037.eml" "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1037.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..2581411 --- /dev/null +++ "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1037.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp94233oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:44:19 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.98.39 with SMTP id ef7mr27829631wib.21.1337071459409; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:44:19 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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What's proposed is slightly different: they're not proposing +> to change Mageia, but for Mageia representatives to join their +> workgroup for a foundation (and the said foundation afterwise). +> +> So it's more a matter of staying apart from their project with a clear +> rationale, than changing Mageia at all: +> =A0- if we were to join their foundation, that probably wouldn't change +> at all Mageia governance; only weaken its mission and blur the line, +> because merging its participation into a separate, parent entity; +> =A0- if we were not to deal with their plan here, this would print +> Mageia difference some more (because we'll need to explain we wouldn't +> join them). + +And, I must add, I don't think we should join their foundation +project, for the following reasons: + - Mageia, as a structure, seems much better to us as an independant, +inclusive project (to both people and organizations), than something +that seems likely to be under a corporate umbrella; + - we invested a lot in building Mageia governance already; + - we don't have the resources to invest into a new equivalent, +duplicate project, because we focus on something else now; + +Besides, I'm not sure their strategy is very strong (unless they have +enough funding fort 2/3 years to see things coming) when they invest +on Mageia by using its technology, and invest in a separate, somewhat +concurrent community project. Focus of time and resources is usually +101. Or I am missing something. + +But that doesn't prevent to wish them welcome and good luck. diff --git "a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1920.eml" "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1920.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..741d63f --- /dev/null +++ "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1920.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,154 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp104865oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.213.20.5 with SMTP id d5mr642219ebb.97.1337102440811; + Tue, 15 May 2012 10:20:40 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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We will not walk another +road, this very governance has been defined as it is for very specific +reasons. + +- we spent a lot of time, energy, conversations, to define Mageia on +several levels. And we went on producing stuff, and regularly put +things back to work. + +- we don't have much information about trends behind the future +entity, what are the goals of each of the potential participants. Ours +are public and clear since day 1. + +- we don't have the means (neither the wish) to disperse further our +(small) means on a new thing to define and build, we think our +priorities are elsewhere at this point. + +- this won't prevent each of us to collaborate, since our tools and +technos will be Free Software. + + +Feel free to share the above reasons, they will be the same if we are +asked why we chose not to participate. + +And we wish you good luck, and temper, for this endeavour. + +---- + +Cher Jean-Manuel, + +merci beaucoup de votre invitation et de cette information. + +Sans regret ni d=E9dain, apr=E8s discussion et m=FBre r=E9flexion avec les +membres du bureau, je peux vous informer que nous ne sommes pas +int=E9ress=E9s =E0 participer =E0 ce groupe de travail. + + - Mageia nous aurait sembl=E9, a priori, id=E9al, comme hub de +collaboration =E0 investir et grossir, pour remplir pr=E9cis=E9ment le r=F4= +le +d'une telle entit=E9 ; mais cela n'a pas eu lieu, probablement parce que +le mode de gouvernance (point cl=E9 s'il en est) ne convient pas au +Conseil de Surveillance ; dont acte. Nous ne nous engagerons pas sur +une autre voie, cette gouvernance a =E9t=E9 d=E9finie pour des raisons tr= +=E8s +pr=E9cises. + + - nous avons investi beaucoup de temps, d'=E9nergie, de discussions, =E0 +d=E9finir Mageia, sur plusieurs plans. Et puis nous sommes pass=E9s =E0 +l'=E9tape de production, et remettons r=E9guli=E8rement les choses =E0 plat= +. + + - nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'information sur les tendances qui se +dessinent derri=E8re cette future entit=E9, quels sont les objectifs et +les buts des uns et des autres. Les n=F4tres sont clairs et publics +depuis le 1er jour. + + - nous n'avons donc pas les moyens (ni le souhait) de disperser +davantage nos (encore faibles) moyens sur une nouvelle entit=E9 =E0 +d=E9finir et construire, car nous pensons que nos priorit=E9s sont +ailleurs =E0 ce stade. + + - cela n'emp=EAchera pas, =E0 l'avenir, de collaborer sur le plan +technique, puisque nos outils et technos respectives seront libres. + +Voil=E0. Sentez-vous libre de transmettre ces raisons, elles seront au +c=9Cur de nos r=E9ponses si l'on nous pose la question de notre +non-participation =E0 votre initiative. + +Et nous vous souhaitons bonne chance, et de l'=E9nergie, pour cette entrepr= +ise. + +Bien cordialement, + +Romain d'Alverny diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-15 1032.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-15 1032.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..10791cb --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-15 1032.eml @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB214A0.2070902@gmail.com> +Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:32:32 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva +References: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> <4FB213D7.9050705@googlemail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB213D7.9050705@googlemail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 15/05/2012 10:29, Oliver Burger a écrit : +> Am 15.05.2012 10:23, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +>> +>> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally) +>> think about this: +>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our +>> own governance model and what is proposed here would change it +>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it +>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in +>> ecosystem but it will not change our principles +>> +>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow +>> +> Fully agreed. +> - We should not accept any changes in our organizational structure on +> behalf of anyone except ourselves! +> - We should never give up our independence. The prize to the project +> would be too high. +> +> So if Mdv should insist on us changing anything, they can go along +> without us.er + +Just to be more precise on all this, There are 2 projects from Mandriva: + +- server product which will be managed in FRance by Mr Crozet mainly +- desktop community which is mainly needed by russian investors. + +While first point is quite clear, second is not. At least it does not +fit our governance. + +But for both of course, we will recall Mr Crozet about independance and +governance + +> +> Oliver + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Damien Lallement - 2012-05-15 1257.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Damien Lallement - 2012-05-15 1257.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..f103fdd --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Damien Lallement - 2012-05-15 1257.eml @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp97136oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:57:54 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.81.234 with SMTP id d10mr445446wiy.10.1337079473872; + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:57:53 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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What I (personally) +>>> think +>>> about this: +>>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined +>>> our own +>>> governance model and what is proposed here would change it +>>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it +>>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in +>>> ecosystem +>>> but it will not change our principles +>>> +>>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow +>> +>> It looks like something to bring Mageia community back to Mandriva. +>> +>> I also agree we should not join this : +>> - it's not clear what this entity will be doing and why it is needed +>> - the Mageia.org governance model is good, we don't need an other entity +>> - it's free software so we can already share code with other +>> distributions if needed, without joining a new entity +>> - joining this would confuse people about independance of Mageia +>> +>> So I think we have nothing to gain by joining, and a lot we can lose. +>> +> One hundred percent d'accord. + +In fact, I entirely agree with Anne, Oliver, Nicolas and Romain. +I know, easy... +For me, this "work group" is a trap for us! So we should not join it. +We must keep in mind what Mageia.Org is and why Mageia.Org is! And make +Mandriva understand that our governance model is based on this history +and protects us. We don't need Mandriva, it's Mandriva who need us. They +must digest this fact! + +-- +Damien Lallement +twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 1029.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 1029.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..2262599 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 1029.eml @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp93967oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:29:19 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.105.69 with SMTP id gk5mr29197477wib.3.1337070558731; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:29:18 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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[141.31.232.122]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm39674058bku.9.2012.05.15.01.29.12 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:29:13 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB213D7.9050705@googlemail.com> +Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:29:11 +0200 +From: Oliver Burger +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +References: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Subject: Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva +X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org +X-Sequence: 40 +Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org +Precedence: list +Precedence: bulk +Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org +X-no-archive: yes +List-Id: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: +List-Unsubscribe: +List-Post: +List-Owner: +List-Archive: + +Am 15.05.2012 10:23, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +> +> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally) +> think about this: +> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our +> own governance model and what is proposed here would change it +> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it +> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in +> ecosystem but it will not change our principles +> +> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow +> +Fully agreed. +- We should not accept any changes in our organizational structure on +behalf of anyone except ourselves! +- We should never give up our independence. The prize to the project +would be too high. + +So if Mdv should insist on us changing anything, they can go along +without us. + +Oliver diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 1250.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 1250.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..98dc9d5 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 1250.eml @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp97015oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:50:28 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.24.39 with SMTP id r7mr28969148wif.9.1337079028263; + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:50:28 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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[141.31.232.122]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f11sm40680848bkw.6.2012.05.15.03.50.19 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:50:20 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB234EA.6020508@googlemail.com> +Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:50:18 +0200 +From: Oliver Burger +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +References: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> <20120515104337.GK21938@mars-attacks.org> +In-Reply-To: <20120515104337.GK21938@mars-attacks.org> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Subject: Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva +X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org +X-Sequence: 46 +Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org +Precedence: list +Precedence: bulk +Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org +X-no-archive: yes +List-Id: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: +List-Unsubscribe: +List-Post: +List-Owner: +List-Archive: + +Am 15.05.2012 12:43, schrieb nicolas vigier: +> On Tue, 15 May 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote: +> +>> +>> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally) think +>> about this: +>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our own +>> governance model and what is proposed here would change it +>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it +>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in ecosystem +>> but it will not change our principles +>> +>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow +> +> It looks like something to bring Mageia community back to Mandriva. +> +> I also agree we should not join this : +> - it's not clear what this entity will be doing and why it is needed +> - the Mageia.org governance model is good, we don't need an other entity +> - it's free software so we can already share code with other +> distributions if needed, without joining a new entity +> - joining this would confuse people about independance of Mageia +> +> So I think we have nothing to gain by joining, and a lot we can lose. +> +One hundred percent d'accord. + +-- +Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca + +Mageia contributor diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 1243.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 1243.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..4b00ba2 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 1243.eml @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp96900oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:43:40 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.213.26.74 with SMTP id d10mr307651ebc.89.1337078620065; + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:43:40 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from mx1.mars-attacks.org (invaders.mars-attacks.org. [88.191.83.84]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si10793066wet.122.2012.05.15.03.43.39; + Tue, 15 May 2012 03:43:39 -0700 (PDT) +Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of boklm@mars-attacks.org designates 88.191.83.84 as permitted sender) client-ip=88.191.83.84; +Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of boklm@mars-attacks.org designates 88.191.83.84 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=boklm@mars-attacks.org +Received: by mx1.mars-attacks.org (Postfix, from userid 500) + id 891572808739; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:43:37 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:43:37 +0200 +From: nicolas vigier +To: Anne Nicolas +Cc: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva +Message-ID: <20120515104337.GK21938@mars-attacks.org> +References: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) + +On Tue, 15 May 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote: + +> +> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally) think +> about this: +> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our own +> governance model and what is proposed here would change it +> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it +> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in ecosystem +> but it will not change our principles +> +> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow + +It looks like something to bring Mageia community back to Mandriva. + +I also agree we should not join this : +- it's not clear what this entity will be doing and why it is needed +- the Mageia.org governance model is good, we don't need an other entity +- it's free software so we can already share code with other + distributions if needed, without joining a new entity +- joining this would confuse people about independance of Mageia + +So I think we have nothing to gain by joining, and a lot we can lose. + diff --git "a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-14 2348.eml" "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-14 2348.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..87f059f --- /dev/null +++ "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-14 2348.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp85245oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:49:14 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.80.35 with SMTP id o3mr2038139wix.7.1337032153588; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:49:13 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the +> announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ? + +Yes, however I think we should not insist on the possible +misunderstandings in our communication/discussion, but focus on the +good parts, questions will come afterwise (and that's good too): + + - it's great, for everyone, because Mageia is a strong platform; +Mandriva will benefit from it for their server product; and Mageia +will benefit from it from possible Mandriva contributions; + - it shows that Mageia has reached quite a milestone; + - it's not revolutionary (Mageia is expected to be used for +derivative projects), but it's cool to see Mandriva acknowledge what +we did, in some way; + - of course, this does not impact how the project is governed, +because it's unrelated. + +If we keep on insisting at first on the potential misunderstandings, +people will focus on that. And the core news is not about potential +mishaps, but about a company that is using technology from a open +source project for their own products. + +Of course, if people raise questions, and only then, it will be a good +time to reassure everyone. It's better to do it in this order, because +it will let us know what are exactly the concerns of people out there, +instead of guessing about these. + +> And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them, +> and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special +> about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info +> private for now. + +Right. The privacy of the info is because the move is on Mandriva's +part, not ours. diff --git "a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1017.eml" "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1017.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..257cc87 --- /dev/null +++ "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-15 1017.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp93750oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:54 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.86.5 with SMTP id l5mr27755704wiz.6.1337069873721; + Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:53 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen +> a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although +> the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same. +> +> If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people +> will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva +> and Mageia will merge. + +If the very news we announce is "we're not Fedora/Redhat", people will +associate this to us anyway (because asking immediately "why not?"). + +What I mean is that we have to be super clear and short about what the +news will be, from our side; and it must be a single message, so +people can remember it for what it is (and not for what it's not). + - "Welcome, Mandriva, seriously" + - "Mandriva joins Mageia for its server product" + - "Mandriva uses Mageia for its server product" - we don't have a +different name for the project and for the product (that would have +been more clear to say that Mandriva was going to use and customize X +as a platform for their server, while just being a contributor to +project Y, whose governance is left unchanged). + - "Mageia will stay as it is, no change to governance" + - "A new Mageia-based/derivative corporate product on its way" + +Or, we can be super neutral, like saying: "cool, there's a new company +using our technology for its products". + +And yes, we need to prepare the Q/A session after, but I don't think +we should include it in the very release, if the release is short and +clear enough. + +We must be especially careful, because there's a second announcement +pending from Mandriva (and which may be announced first actually, +tomorrow - Anne will send another mail about it), that's the +foundation of their own Mandriva Linux community entity (likely a +foundation, or so they say) and we will have to react to it as well +and explain why (and this one will need to have a short as well title, +plus a clear, limited rationale). + +And depending on the timing, people may confuse the two announcements +- best for us, I believe, would be that they announce their foundation +first. + +Let's not forget the bottom line of all this, that's utterly positive +in my view: + - Mandriva is going to use Mageia as a technology platform; + - we're going to have to think, discuss and take a stance in regard +of their foundation project. diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2244.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2244.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..10f5fa6 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2244.eml @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:12 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 14/05/2012 22:41, Oliver Burger a écrit : +> Am 14.05.2012 22:36, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +>> Hi there +>> +>> rda and I received a mail today from Mr Crozet COO of Mandriva: +>> +> > [...] +>> +>> This is only about Mandriva server product. So it means Mandriva will be +>> part of Mageia ecosystem. They may contribute to Mageia in one way or +>> another, this still has to be fixed. We will call Mr Crozet to go on all +>> this. +>> +>> Please keep all this private for now, official communication should be +>> done very soon. +> +> Ok, I will keep it private, but I think, we will have some things to +> discuss soon. +> +> Oliver + +Some things ? +As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a +contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that +point). But yes it will be discussed longer. + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2301.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2301.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d8e1496 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2301.eml @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB172B1.5080500@gmail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:01:37 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 14/05/2012 22:59, Oliver Burger a écrit : +> Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +>> +>> Some things ? +>> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a +>> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that +>> point). But yes it will be discussed longer. +>> +> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any +> other company, contributing to Mageia. +> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce +> it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already +> knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer +> questions from our community, why we kept it in private. +> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word). +> +> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces +> its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on +> using Mageia. +> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source +> world does understand, we will keep our independence. +> +> That's something about our credibility. + +ok + +The point here is about their server product not desktop one (aka +Mandriva community). So they will announce it very soon but of course +this will have to be expained and communicated. Still we thought at +least for today board would have to know about that mail. Nothing more, +nothing less :) + +> +> Oliver +> + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2309.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2309.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..57ddac7 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2309.eml @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB17497.80800@gmail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:09:43 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> <4FB17281.3030302@iki.fi> +In-Reply-To: <4FB17281.3030302@iki.fi> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 14/05/2012 23:00, Thomas Backlund a écrit : +> 14.05.2012 23:59, Oliver Burger skrev: +>> Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +>>> +>>> Some things ? +>>> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a +>>> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that +>>> point). But yes it will be discussed longer. +>>> +>> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any +>> other company, contributing to Mageia. +>> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce +>> it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already +>> knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer +>> questions from our community, why we kept it in private. +>> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word). +>> +>> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces +>> its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on +>> using Mageia. +>> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source +>> world does understand, we will keep our independence. +>> +>> That's something about our credibility. +>> +> +> I agree with Oliver about this. + +Did we say the contrary ? :) + +> +> -- +> +> Thomas +> +> + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2318.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2318.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..48290fc --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2318.eml @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB176B9.4090708@gmail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:18:49 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> <4FB17281.3030302@iki.fi> <4FB17497.80800@gmail.com> <4FB175D6.3070401@googlemail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB175D6.3070401@googlemail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 14/05/2012 23:15, Oliver Burger a écrit : +> Am 14.05.2012 23:09, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +>> +>> Did we say the contrary ? :) +>> +> No, you did not. And I didn't want to say anything along those lines. +> I just wanted us to keep it in mind, Nothing more nothing less. +> +> So go on, you are in Paris and you speak french which I don't. Thanks +> for keeping us informed! + +Sorry if I sound rude... release time and short noghts :) but I just +want to insure that all this will become public as soon as possible +> +> Cheers, +> +> Oliver + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2350.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2350.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..af8d1d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-14 2350.eml @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB17E16.4070800@gmail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:50:14 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> <20120514212033.GE21938@mars-attacks.org> <4FB17DC9.8030509@googlemail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB17DC9.8030509@googlemail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 14/05/2012 23:48, Oliver Burger a écrit : +> Am 14.05.2012 23:20, schrieb nicolas vigier: +>> Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special +>> for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is +>> independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the +>> announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible +>> misunderstandings ? +> Good idea, I would also like to be able to answer questions. As I know +> the chief editor of LinuxUser (print magazine, part of Linux New Media, +> one of the biggest publishers here in Germany, I might find myself +> interviewed by him. +>> +>> And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them, +>> and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special +>> about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info +>> private for now. +> Yes, completely d'accord. + +hey you are french fluent ! :) + +> +> Oliver + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2241.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2241.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..3d085e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2241.eml @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp84292oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 13:41:37 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.107.100 with SMTP id hb4mr10085504wib.22.1337028096763; + Mon, 14 May 2012 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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[91.20.16.216]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig1sm37133904bkc.4.2012.05.14.13.41.28 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Mon, 14 May 2012 13:41:29 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:41:26 +0200 +From: Oliver Burger +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org +X-Sequence: 23 +Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org +Precedence: list +Precedence: bulk +Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org +X-no-archive: yes +List-Id: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: +List-Unsubscribe: +List-Post: +List-Owner: +List-Archive: + +Am 14.05.2012 22:36, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +> Hi there +> +> rda and I received a mail today from Mr Crozet COO of Mandriva: +> + > [...] +> +> This is only about Mandriva server product. So it means Mandriva will be +> part of Mageia ecosystem. They may contribute to Mageia in one way or +> another, this still has to be fixed. We will call Mr Crozet to go on all +> this. +> +> Please keep all this private for now, official communication should be +> done very soon. + +Ok, I will keep it private, but I think, we will have some things to +discuss soon. + +Oliver diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2259.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2259.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..c9e1ce3 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2259.eml @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp84535oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.83.196 with SMTP id s4mr368221wiy.15.1337029149456; + Mon, 14 May 2012 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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[91.20.16.216]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f11sm37189077bkw.6.2012.05.14.13.59.02 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Mon, 14 May 2012 13:59:03 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:59:00 +0200 +From: Oliver Burger +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org +X-Sequence: 25 +Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org +Precedence: list +Precedence: bulk +Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org +X-no-archive: yes +List-Id: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: +List-Unsubscribe: +List-Post: +List-Owner: +List-Archive: + +Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +> +> Some things ? +> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a +> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that +> point). But yes it will be discussed longer. +> +We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any +other company, contributing to Mageia. +But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce +it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already +knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer +questions from our community, why we kept it in private. +After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word). + +I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces +its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on +using Mageia. +But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source +world does understand, we will keep our independence. + +That's something about our credibility. + +Oliver + +-- +Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca + +Mageia contributor diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2315.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2315.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..dc8572c --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2315.eml @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp84754oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:15:11 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.84.4 with SMTP id u4mr1852364wiy.2.1337030111391; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:15:11 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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[91.20.16.216]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z14sm37244231bky.15.2012.05.14.14.15.03 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:15:04 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB175D6.3070401@googlemail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:02 +0200 +From: Oliver Burger +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> <4FB17281.3030302@iki.fi> <4FB17497.80800@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB17497.80800@gmail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org +X-Sequence: 29 +Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org +Precedence: list +Precedence: bulk +Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org +X-no-archive: yes +List-Id: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: +List-Unsubscribe: +List-Post: +List-Owner: +List-Archive: + +Am 14.05.2012 23:09, schrieb Anne Nicolas: +> +> Did we say the contrary ? :) +> +No, you did not. And I didn't want to say anything along those lines. +I just wanted us to keep it in mind, Nothing more nothing less. + +So go on, you are in Paris and you speak french which I don't. Thanks +for keeping us informed! + +Cheers, + +Oliver diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2348.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2348.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e0315c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-14 2348.eml @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp85243oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:49:09 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.24.35 with SMTP id r3mr23804817wif.7.1337032148401; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:49:08 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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[91.20.16.216]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm59111707wix.5.2012.05.14.14.48.58 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:48:59 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB17DC9.8030509@googlemail.com> +Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:48:57 +0200 +From: Oliver Burger +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: nicolas vigier +CC: board-private@ml.mageia.org +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> <20120514212033.GE21938@mars-attacks.org> +In-Reply-To: <20120514212033.GE21938@mars-attacks.org> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org +X-Sequence: 32 +Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org +Precedence: list +Precedence: bulk +Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org +X-no-archive: yes +List-Id: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: +List-Unsubscribe: +List-Post: +List-Owner: +List-Archive: + +Am 14.05.2012 23:20, schrieb nicolas vigier: +> Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special +> for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is +> independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the +> announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ? +Good idea, I would also like to be able to answer questions. As I know +the chief editor of LinuxUser (print magazine, part of Linux New Media, +one of the biggest publishers here in Germany, I might find myself +interviewed by him. +> +> And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them, +> and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special +> about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info +> private for now. +Yes, completely d'accord. + +Oliver diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 0840.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 0840.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..dfd1e24 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-15 0840.eml @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp92193oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 23:40:15 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.216.216.1 with SMTP id f1mr7052258wep.24.1337064014523; + Mon, 14 May 2012 23:40:14 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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[141.31.232.122]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig1sm39073379bkc.4.2012.05.14.23.40.04 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Mon, 14 May 2012 23:40:04 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB1FA41.7020202@googlemail.com> +Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:40:01 +0200 +From: Oliver Burger +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> <20120514212033.GE21938@mars-attacks.org> <20120514224106.GF21938@mars-attacks.org> <20120514225513.GG21938@mars-attacks.org> +In-Reply-To: <20120514225513.GG21938@mars-attacks.org> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva +X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org +X-Sequence: 37 +Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org +Precedence: list +Precedence: bulk +Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org +X-no-archive: yes +List-Id: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: +List-Unsubscribe: +List-Post: +List-Owner: +List-Archive: + +Am 15.05.2012 00:55, schrieb nicolas vigier: +> On Tue, 15 May 2012, nicolas vigier wrote: +> +>> +>> I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or +>> it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen +>> a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although +>> the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same. +>> +>> If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people +>> will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva +>> and Mageia will merge. +> +> Actually there is already people talking about rumors that Mandriva and +> Mageia will join, with Mandriva being the paying distro, and Mageia the +> community version : +> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=17802#p17802 +> +Yes, I know, I tried to make it clear in that forums post, that we are +not like Fedora. + +So I would propose to prepare a blog post along the lines: +"Mageia is happy to announce a newcommer to our eco system..." +Describing what kind of cooperation there will be and what there won't be. +And we should be prepared to answer questions on our forums, the blog +and external news sites, making it clear that we are not like Fedora to +RedHat. + +Oliver + +-- +Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca + +Mageia contributor diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-14 2300.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-14 2300.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..987ef59 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-14 2300.eml @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp84663oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:09:02 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.86.194 with SMTP id r2mr1701110wiz.15.1337029741423; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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But yes it will be discussed longer. +>> +> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any +> other company, contributing to Mageia. +> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce +> it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already +> knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer +> questions from our community, why we kept it in private. +> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word). +> +> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces +> its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on +> using Mageia. +> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source +> world does understand, we will keep our independence. +> +> That's something about our credibility. +> + +I agree with Oliver about this. + +-- + +Thomas + + diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-14 2320.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-14 2320.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b95b7d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-14 2320.eml @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp84836oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.216.143.105 with SMTP id k83mr5701674wej.99.1337030442582; + Mon, 14 May 2012 14:20:42 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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But yes it will be discussed longer. +>> +> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any +> other company, contributing to Mageia. +> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce it. +> Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already knew +> about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer +> questions from our community, why we kept it in private. +> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word). +> +> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces its +> plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on using +> Mageia. +> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source +> world does understand, we will keep our independence. + +Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special +for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is +independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the +announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ? + +And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them, +and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special +about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info +private for now. + diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 0041.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 0041.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..aa76029 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 0041.eml @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp86039oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 15:41:11 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.79.72 with SMTP id h8mr24318851wix.1.1337035271405; + Mon, 14 May 2012 15:41:11 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the +> > announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ? +> +> Yes, however I think we should not insist on the possible +> misunderstandings in our communication/discussion, but focus on the +> good parts, questions will come afterwise (and that's good too): +> +> - it's great, for everyone, because Mageia is a strong platform; +> Mandriva will benefit from it for their server product; and Mageia +> will benefit from it from possible Mandriva contributions; +> - it shows that Mageia has reached quite a milestone; +> - it's not revolutionary (Mageia is expected to be used for +> derivative projects), but it's cool to see Mandriva acknowledge what +> we did, in some way; +> - of course, this does not impact how the project is governed, +> because it's unrelated. +> +> If we keep on insisting at first on the potential misunderstandings, +> people will focus on that. And the core news is not about potential +> mishaps, but about a company that is using technology from a open +> source project for their own products. +> +> Of course, if people raise questions, and only then, it will be a good +> time to reassure everyone. It's better to do it in this order, because +> it will let us know what are exactly the concerns of people out there, +> instead of guessing about these. + +I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or +it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen +a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although +the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same. + +If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people +will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva +and Mageia will merge. + diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 0055.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 0055.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..0dd16f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 0055.eml @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp86227oay; + Mon, 14 May 2012 15:55:22 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.109.197 with SMTP id hu5mr24107210wib.8.1337036121930; + Mon, 14 May 2012 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen +> a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although +> the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same. +> +> If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people +> will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva +> and Mageia will merge. + +Actually there is already people talking about rumors that Mandriva and +Mageia will join, with Mandriva being the paying distro, and Mageia the +community version : +https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=17802#p17802 + diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 1157.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 1157.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..7052b32 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-15 1157.eml @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp95857oay; + Tue, 15 May 2012 02:57:14 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.216.135.103 with SMTP id t81mr7465828wei.113.1337075833540; + Tue, 15 May 2012 02:57:13 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen +> > a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although +> > the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same. +> > +> > If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people +> > will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva +> > and Mageia will merge. +> +> If the very news we announce is "we're not Fedora/Redhat", people will +> associate this to us anyway (because asking immediately "why not?"). + +I never said that we should announce "we're not Fedora/Redhat" ... + diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-19 2109.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-19 2109.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..34d9791 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-19 2109.eml @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB7F007.1010403@gmail.com> +Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 21:09:59 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Subject: Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people +References: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com> <4FB7EFE2.3050704@iki.fi> +In-Reply-To: <4FB7EFE2.3050704@iki.fi> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 19/05/2012 21:09, Thomas Backlund a écrit : +> 19.05.2012 21:27, Anne Nicolas skrev: +>> +>> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published +>> on monday morning: +>> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation +>> +> +> Nothing to object on the mail to council, but maybe already put some +> text on the pad as they will click on it :) +> +> -- +> Thomas +> +> + +indeed :) + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-19 2317.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-19 2317.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..41d3e43 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Oliver Burger - 2012-05-19 2317.eml @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp44021oay; 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+ Sat, 19 May 2012 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.143.82.16 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.143.82.16 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT) +In-Reply-To: <4FB7F007.1010403@gmail.com> +References: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com> + <4FB7EFE2.3050704@iki.fi> + <4FB7F007.1010403@gmail.com> +Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:17:19 +0200 +Message-ID: +Subject: Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people +From: Oliver Burger +To: Anne Nicolas +Cc: board-private@ml.mageia.org +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2536ead016204c06a31f7 + +--e89a8ff2536ead016204c06a31f7 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +ok with me. + +Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca + +Mageia contributor +On 19.05.2012 21:10, "Anne Nicolas" wrote: + +> Le 19/05/2012 21:09, Thomas Backlund a =C3=A9crit : +> +>> 19.05.2012 21:27, Anne Nicolas skrev: +>> +>>> +>>> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published +>>> on monday morning: +>>> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-**foundation +>>> +>>> +>> Nothing to object on the mail to council, but maybe already put some +>> text on the pad as they will click on it :) +>> +>> -- +>> Thomas +>> +>> +>> +> indeed :) +> +> -- +> Anne +> http://mageia.org +> + +--e89a8ff2536ead016204c06a31f7 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +

ok with me.

+

Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca

+

Mageia contributor

+
On 19.05.2012 21:10, "Anne Nicolas" &l= +t;ennael1@gmail.com> wrote:
+Le 19/05/2012 21:09, Thomas Backlund a =C3=A9crit :
+
+19.05.2012 21:27, Anne Nicolas skrev:
+
+
+So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published
+on monday morning:
+https= +://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+
+
+
+Nothing to object on the mail to council, but maybe already put some
+text on the pad as they will click on it :)
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+
+
+
+indeed :)
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
+
+ +--e89a8ff2536ead016204c06a31f7-- diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Romain d'Alverny - 2012-05-20 1102.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Romain d'Alverny - 2012-05-20 1102.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..2883e00 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Romain d'Alverny - 2012-05-20 1102.eml @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp51770oay; + Sun, 20 May 2012 02:02:18 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.216.194.195 with SMTP id m45mr10691033wen.8.1337504538105; + Sun, 20 May 2012 02:02:18 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa8si10423550wib.3.2012.05.20.02.02.17 + (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Sun, 20 May 2012 02:02:18 -0700 (PDT) +Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdalverny@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.175; +Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdalverny@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdalverny@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com +Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hn6so1292722wib.10 + for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 02:02:17 -0700 (PDT) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; + d=gmail.com; s=20120113; + h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding + :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; + bh=GnTnR+SSglnpKxOSMwHOTmYOiv/rkyZcudd0BlHIFGk=; + b=jli17cRFmMeUZJbghDLXsB9xO2Wz1UfuGAZUtN0freDoe6e58XXC1pflY7bxUyRTSd + 7P2tx5HLQgm/3Y5t6F4LC/1LlNgbeS2D4h+9ML5YBuGyAFlwDcnjVIBtwpSGwikyHNXe + caJNlBtAncHbe726JcEk09Mz6yHpKIvQmb2/cMLhLQZ2kYeXC2xqbayTJzjW9wyAXW3P + 9HkKX/8GVPqIHYgBj4cZclWVqlENARYsY+qccFg7+QmbrG1E1f/ixfZICU6Uhjai+p2F + 0bHM9DVYSb7fSrP1z3Ptf6Tm52bo5u5rgSAJ0ZMcPpfMrlfr0hljUK/1XnYtCvUEJq+O + 3zbA== +Received: by 10.180.78.9 with SMTP id x9mr15387792wiw.18.1337504537522; + Sun, 20 May 2012 02:02:17 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from [192.168.1.31] (lgp44-4-88-160-57-153.fbx.proxad.net. [88.160.57.153]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f19sm25242125wiw.11.2012.05.20.02.02.15 + (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Sun, 20 May 2012 02:02:16 -0700 (PDT) +References: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com> +Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset=utf-8 +Message-Id: +Cc: "board-private@ml.mageia.org" +X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) +From: Romain d'Alverny +Subject: Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people +Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:02:13 +0200 +To: Anne Nicolas + +Looks good to go. + +-- +Romain + +Le 19 mai 2012 =C3=A0 20:27, Anne Nicolas a =C3=A9crit := + + +> Hi there +>=20 +> Here is a draft for council people (not using ML but mailing everybody). C= +omment? This should be sent tonight so that we have time to work on this pro= +perly +>=20 +> Cheers +>=20 +> -------------------- +>=20 +> Hi everyone, +>=20 +> I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following la= +st discussions with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset. +>=20 +> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +>=20 +> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to get= + a status. +>=20 +> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012= +/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. So several discussions a= +re popping up here and there. Mageia's +> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among which P= +eroyvind (see https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=3D18041#p18041 - a= +lthough he doesn't have the full story it seems). +>=20 +> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia a= +s a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. Antoine= + Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will get in tou= +ch with us to see how we do this technically. +>=20 +> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming day= +s (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its Business S= +erver line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its foundation things) beca= +use he realizes that... community stuff sometimes goes out of hand; but he r= +eassured us that, whatever is said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's i= +mportant to play it cool and neutral on our side too. +>=20 +> So, here's a suggested plan: +>=20 +> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning (CEST= +) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news: +> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation project (= +and why, cold reasons as we gave him), +> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech platform fo= +r its business server line (link) and contribute back. +> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not so si= +mple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on Mageia". +>=20 +> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to pro= +pagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - interes= +t about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and this release= + news will hide partially the previous news. +>=20 +> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +>=20 +> It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will ma= +ke things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told about Ma= +ndriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and organizatio= +n which are now working quite well. +>=20 +> So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain i= +t has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement is p= +lanned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of its own an= +nouncement so that we can check we all agree on the content. +>=20 +> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published on m= +onday morning: +> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation +>=20 +>=20 +> --=20 +> Anne +> http://mageia.org diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2109.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2109.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6f063c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2109.eml @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp42629oay; + Sat, 19 May 2012 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.78.105 with SMTP id a9mr11508067wix.20.1337454566193; + Sat, 19 May 2012 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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Note that about a), people may question both the decision and +>> the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will +>> mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b), +>> but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to +>> Mandriva, and what the governance says. But still again. In the case +>> of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we +>> call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council, +>> or from all registered contributors in LDAP). +> +> I'd call for a vote of confidence from Council, but as I think, our +> arguments are logical and for the best of the project I do not expect +> any flames in the teams. +> Perhaps there will be some discussions in the forums, though and we +> should react professionally and neutraly there. I know, that's partly +> not my line of doing things, but I'll try. +> +> I expect the wider OpenSource community to respect our decision and +> even applaude it. In my eyes, this shows our independence and at least +> the people I know, (Chris Wickert from Fedora (FamsCo chair) and +> Pascal (can't remember the surname from openSUSE and FOSDEM +> organization) and others will see it my way. +> So we can weather any immediate storms, trolling in our forums and Mdv +> forums and on some blog sites, we can live with. +> +> So, go ahead! +> +> Oliver diff --git "a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1509.eml" "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1509.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..5ca9133 --- /dev/null +++ "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1509.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp12908oay; + Fri, 18 May 2012 06:09:58 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.86.194 with SMTP id r2mr1480574wiz.15.1337346598015; + Fri, 18 May 2012 06:09:58 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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The vote of confidence is just an option to raise, in case +> things go bad (board's decision challenged within the team), to +> demonstrate that the decision has, or has not, the clear backing of +> most of the people working on Mageia. But we're not there. +> +>> So we can weather any immediate storms, trolling in our forums and Mdv +>> forums and on some blog sites, we can live with. +> +> Yes. And we a carefully written announce, that should do it I hope. diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2004.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2004.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..732fa17 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - Thomas Backlund - 2012-05-19 2004.eml @@ -0,0 +1,152 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp41640oay; + Sat, 19 May 2012 11:05:02 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.216.193.80 with SMTP id j58mr9248191wen.96.1337450701825; + Sat, 19 May 2012 11:05:01 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +> which Peroyvind (see +> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although +> he doesn't have the full story it seems). +> + +That has never stopped POK to fill out the blanks... + +> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use +> Mageia as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute +> back. Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business +> server) will get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. +> + +Shouldn't be a problem. + +> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff +> sometimes goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is +> said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it +> cool and neutral on our side too. + + +Well, I still consider the so callen Mandriva foundation a "paper +launch" so I dont see much problem with it... + +The "counter-weight" to Mageia not following Mdv foundation plans is +that mdv actually trust current Mageia.org and its structure more +than building on any current mdv based stuff so it means they think +we already have a strong functioning org and so on... + + +> +> So, here's a suggested plan: +> +> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related +> news: +> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation +> project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), +> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech +> platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back. +> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not +> so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on +> Mageia". +> + +Yep. + +> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days +> to propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday +> evening) - interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the +> previous days, and this release news will hide partially the previous +> news. +> + +Yep. any news is good news :) + +> * until now, all this has been kept private in board-private: a) +> knowledge and decision about the foundation, and b) business server +> thing. Note that about a), people may question both the decision and +> the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will +> mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b), +> but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to +> Mandriva, and what the governance says. + +Yep, we have that power to decide in cases like this. +And yes, it's better Council members gets fact from us before stuff hits +the blogs. + +> But still again. In the case +> of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we +> call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council, +> or from all registered contributors in LDAP). +> + +If really needed / requested yes. +But I dont think we will have problems. + +> Sorry to make this quick, but we need to approve/reject/amend on this +> before tomorrow Saturday (even better, this evening) so we can discuss +> this with Council members in private too before Monday morning. +> . + +I'm ok with it + +-- +Thomas diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-18 1955.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-18 1955.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d880ee2 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-18 1955.eml @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp20161oay; + Fri, 18 May 2012 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.84.193 with SMTP id b1mr3752144wiz.11.1337363745012; + Fri, 18 May 2012 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +> which Peroyvind (see +> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although +> he doesn't have the full story it seems). +> +> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use +> Mageia as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute +> back. Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business +> server) will get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. +> +> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff +> sometimes goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is +> said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it +> cool and neutral on our side too. +> +> So, here's a suggested plan: +> +> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related +> news: +> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation +> project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), +> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech +> platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back. +> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not +> so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on +> Mageia". +> +> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days +> to propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday +> evening) - interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the +> previous days, and this release news will hide partially the previous +> news. +> +> * until now, all this has been kept private in board-private: a) +> knowledge and decision about the foundation, and b) business server +> thing. Note that about a), people may question both the decision and +> the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will +> mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b), +> but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to +> Mandriva, and what the governance says. But still again. In the case +> of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we +> call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council, +> or from all registered contributors in LDAP). + +This looks like a good plan. + +I suggest starting the blog post on piratepad. Then sending a first +draft of the blog post tomorrow (or when we have something ready) to +council members to inform them about it and see what they think of it. + diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-19 1257.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-19 1257.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..7b86209 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - nicolas vigier - 2012-05-19 1257.eml @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp34453oay; + Sat, 19 May 2012 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.216.215.194 with SMTP id e44mr8561925wep.61.1337425050481; + Sat, 19 May 2012 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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Then sending a first +> draft of the blog post tomorrow (or when we have something ready) to +> council members to inform them about it and see what they think of it. + +So I propose to start writting text or ideas for blog post on this pad : +https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation + diff --git "a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/[board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1152.eml" "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/[board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1152.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..62419e8 --- /dev/null +++ "b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/[board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-18 1152.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp7889oay; + Fri, 18 May 2012 02:52:37 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.102.101 with SMTP id fn5mr26662578wib.6.1337334756776; + Fri, 18 May 2012 02:52:36 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +which Peroyvind (see +https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although +he doesn't have the full story it seems). + +He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use +Mageia as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute +back. Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business +server) will get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. + +He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff +sometimes goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is +said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it +cool and neutral on our side too. + +So, here's a suggested plan: + + * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related +news: + - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation +project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), + - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech +platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back. + - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not +so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on +Mageia". + + * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days +to propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday +evening) - interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the +previous days, and this release news will hide partially the previous +news. + + * until now, all this has been kept private in board-private: a) +knowledge and decision about the foundation, and b) business server +thing. Note that about a), people may question both the decision and +the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will +mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b), +but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to +Mandriva, and what the governance says. But still again. In the case +of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we +call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council, +or from all registered contributors in LDAP). + +Sorry to make this quick, but we need to approve/reject/amend on this +before tomorrow Saturday (even better, this evening) so we can discuss +this with Council members in private too before Monday morning. diff --git a/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..1ae4a52 --- /dev/null +++ b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +Return-Path: +Received: from [192.168.1.102] (lns-bzn-48f-62-147-157-222.adsl.proxad.net. [62.147.157.222]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id et10sm16403164wib.2.2012.05.20.02.31.37 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Sun, 20 May 2012 02:31:38 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB8B9F8.8010800@gmail.com> +Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:31:36 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +Reply-To: council@group.mageia.org +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: council@group.mageia.org +Subject: Following with Mandriva discussions +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + +Hi everyone, + +This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias +(council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions. + +I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following +last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset. + +================= + +so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to +get a status. + +He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) +http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. +So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +which Peroyvind (see +https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he +doesn't have the full story it seems). + +He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia +as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. +Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will +get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. + +He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes +goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does +mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on +our side too. + +So, here's a suggested plan: + + * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news: + - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation +project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), + - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech +platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back. + - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not +so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on +Mageia". + + * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to +propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - +interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and +this release news will hide partially the previous news. + +=================== + +It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will +make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told +about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and +organization which are now working quite well. + +So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain +it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement +is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of +its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content. + +So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published +on monday morning: +https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation + +native english speakers needed for proofread :) + +Waiing for your comments + +Cheers + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git "a/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" "b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..1fe7322 --- /dev/null +++ "b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp56679oay; + Sun, 20 May 2012 07:40:05 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.99.195 with SMTP id es3mr17295129wib.12.1337524804924; + Sun, 20 May 2012 07:40:04 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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We will not walk another +road, this very governance has been defined as it is for very specific +reasons. + +- we spent a lot of time, energy, conversations, to define Mageia on +several levels. And we went on producing stuff, and regularly put +things back to work. + +- we don't have much information about trends behind the future +entity, what are the goals of each of the potential participants. Ours +are public and clear since day 1. + +- we don't have the means (neither the wish) to disperse further our +(small) means on a new thing to define and build, we think our +priorities are elsewhere at this point. + +- this won't prevent each of us to collaborate, since our tools and +technos will be Free Software. + + +Feel free to share the above reasons, they will be the same if we are +asked why we chose not to participate. + +And we wish you good luck, and temper, for this endeavour. + +---- + +Cher Jean-Manuel, + +merci beaucoup de votre invitation et de cette information. + +Sans regret ni d=E9dain, apr=E8s discussion et m=FBre r=E9flexion avec les +membres du bureau, je peux vous informer que nous ne sommes pas +int=E9ress=E9s =E0 participer =E0 ce groupe de travail. + + - Mageia nous aurait sembl=E9, a priori, id=E9al, comme hub de +collaboration =E0 investir et grossir, pour remplir pr=E9cis=E9ment le r=F4= +le +d'une telle entit=E9 ; mais cela n'a pas eu lieu, probablement parce que +le mode de gouvernance (point cl=E9 s'il en est) ne convient pas au +Conseil de Surveillance ; dont acte. Nous ne nous engagerons pas sur +une autre voie, cette gouvernance a =E9t=E9 d=E9finie pour des raisons tr= +=E8s +pr=E9cises. + + - nous avons investi beaucoup de temps, d'=E9nergie, de discussions, =E0 +d=E9finir Mageia, sur plusieurs plans. Et puis nous sommes pass=E9s =E0 +l'=E9tape de production, et remettons r=E9guli=E8rement les choses =E0 plat= +. + + - nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'information sur les tendances qui se +dessinent derri=E8re cette future entit=E9, quels sont les objectifs et +les buts des uns et des autres. Les n=F4tres sont clairs et publics +depuis le 1er jour. + + - nous n'avons donc pas les moyens (ni le souhait) de disperser +davantage nos (encore faibles) moyens sur une nouvelle entit=E9 =E0 +d=E9finir et construire, car nous pensons que nos priorit=E9s sont +ailleurs =E0 ce stade. + + - cela n'emp=EAchera pas, =E0 l'avenir, de collaborer sur le plan +technique, puisque nos outils et technos respectives seront libres. + +Voil=E0. Sentez-vous libre de transmettre ces raisons, elles seront au +c=9Cur de nos r=E9ponses si l'on nous pose la question de notre +non-participation =E0 votre initiative. + +Et nous vous souhaitons bonne chance, et de l'=E9nergie, pour cette entrepr= +ise. + +Bien cordialement, + +Romain d'Alverny diff --git a/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..47410f9 --- /dev/null +++ b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +Return-Path: +Received: from [192.168.1.102] (lns-bzn-48f-62-147-157-222.adsl.proxad.net. [62.147.157.222]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm74113458eem.1.2012.05.20.05.23.14 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Sun, 20 May 2012 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB8E231.3090406@gmail.com> +Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:23:13 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: council@group.mageia.org +Subject: Re: Following with Mandriva discussions +References: <4FB8B9F8.8010800@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB8B9F8.8010800@gmail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 20/05/2012 11:31, Anne Nicolas a écrit : +> Hi everyone + +Please try to add comments on all this, even if it's short. We need as +many feedbacks as possible until tomorrow on this mail and on pad + +Cheers + +> +> This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias +> (council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions. +> +> I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following +> last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset. +> +> ================= +> +> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to +> get a status. +> +> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) +> http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. +> So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +> which Peroyvind (see +> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he +> doesn't have the full story it seems). +> +> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia +> as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. +> Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will +> get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. +> +> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes +> goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does +> mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on +> our side too. +> +> So, here's a suggested plan: +> +> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news: +> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation project +> (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), +> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech platform +> for its business server line (link) and contribute back. +> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not so +> simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on Mageia". +> +> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to +> propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - +> interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and +> this release news will hide partially the previous news. +> +> =================== +> +> It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will +> make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told +> about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and +> organization which are now working quite well. +> +> So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain +> it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement +> is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of +> its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content. +> +> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published +> on monday morning: +> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation +> +> native english speakers needed for proofread :) +> +> Waiing for your comments +> +> Cheers +> + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org -- cgit v1.2.1