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<B>lemonzest</B>
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<I>Thu May 31 06:06:58 CEST 2012</I>
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<PRE>On 30/05/12 09:38, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
><i> Hi
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I think we must discuss the following point for next release:
</I>><i> currently radeon firmwares are in non-free.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> However this break havoc quite a lot of install b/c by default
</I>><i> non-free is not enabled.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> 1) This makes the Mageia experience horrible on some machines
</I>><i> (black screen, machines unusable by newbies (and worse
</I>><i> unrecoverable by newbies), ...)
</I>><i> Newer ATI/AMD cards cannot work w/o the needed firmware.
</I>><i> That's also the issue with several network cards.
</I>><i> (which makes network installation impossible by default)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> 2) this is unlike the live-cd where we've those firmwares (and
</I>><i> the proprietary drivers as well)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> 3) This is unlike other "pure" FOSS distro such as Fedora
</I>><i> which includes the firmwares.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> So there're two kinds of Linux distro:
</I>><i> - those who provides free & proprietary drivers
</I>><i> - those who only provides free drivers, with the needed firmwares
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Mageia choose to provides either the first experience (the live cd
</I>><i> case) or the worst one, the free drivers w/o the needed firmwares.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> A lot of thing broke havoc when firmwares get split from kernels.
</I>><i> According to their licence (or their lack of license), we choose
</I>><i> to distribute them in:
</I>><i> - either kernel-firmware, always available and always installed
</I>><i> - or kernel-firmware-nonfree, unavailable and not installed by default
</I>><i>
</I>><i> This make a lot of free drivers stop to work by default (at least with
</I>><i> the classic installer, it's OK with the livecd)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> So we offer the choice between:
</I>><i> - either be able to choose between working proprietary driver and
</I>><i> working free driver
</I>><i> - or to have non working free driver
</I>><i> This is _INSANE_.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I think It's time we reconsider this.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Firmwares do not run on the main CPU.
</I>><i> They're needed for additional chips where no one will ever
</I>><i> ever write a program for.
</I>>><i>From the main CPU/memory view point they're data.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I think we should offer the choice to:
</I>><i> - either be able to choose between working proprietary driver and
</I>><i> working free driver
</I>><i> - or to have _working_ free driver
</I>><i> (that is including the needed firmwares)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> See you
</I>><i>
</I>
I personally think people should read before doing anything, cant expect
people to throw a coaster into the computer and hit the go button
computers are sophisticated complicated tools, not toasters
Lemonzest
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