2010/9/21 Frank Griffin <ftg@roadrunner.com>:

> Jostein Hauge wrote:
>>
>> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should
>> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us
>> would
>> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
>>
>> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make
>> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between
>> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
>>
>> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could
>> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
>> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more
>> like
>> a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
>>
>>
> +1
>
> The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going
> downhill fast.
>
> As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV,
> whether or not that seems respectful to the community.  I'd be the last
> one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded
> long ago.  But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect
> their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to
> please shareholders.  They probably don't know we exist.
>
> In this case, MDV (= Laprévote) seems to think that a foundation is good
> for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I
> would otherwise.  And once they go down that path, it would be very
> difficult to reverse.
>
> No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,
> remember the old saying: "the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the
> bread of another".  If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a
> foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing to
> let the community control it, just go forward from there.

You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion
on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the
benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the
whole thing.

The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the
foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that
Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal
vendetta.

This isn't something originally coming from the management of the
company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of
the century by Gäel Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for
discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a
while!


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Regards,
Per Řyvind