[Mageia-webteam] planet.mageia.org - info/discuss about the installation

Mon Jan 31 03:47:32 CET 2011

Le vendredi 28 janvier 2011 à 13:31 +0100, Damien Lallement a écrit :
+> Hello folks,
+> 
+> planet.mageia.org is an old discussion (started in September (mostly 
+> IRL) when we installed blogs).
+> It's an important website to spread Mageia and an aggregator about the 
+> project.
+> 
+> As previously discussed on IRC or IRL, we have analyzed the different 
+> web based aggregator platforms we known:
+> - planetplanet (http://www.planetplanet.org/)
+> - planet venus (http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/)
+> 
+> Then, we met Pascal Chevrel, from Mozilla Europe, in November, and 
+> discussed on a lot of things.
+> He explained us how they were managing the Mozilla Europe Planet and 
+> made us discovered moonmoon (http://moonmoon.org).
+> This platform fits all our requirements: "Moonmoon is stupidly simple" 
+> (no DB, no comments, no votes, flat files, ...)
+> 
+> We expect to install this web based agregator on "champagne" to start 
+> ASAP the Mageia Planet.
+> 
+> For know, we thought, for agregatted blogs on it, of the following 
+> rules:
+> - anyone who asks for it
+> - who is peer in a team
+> - only post with a Mageia tag will appear on the planet.
+>
+> What do you think about all of this? Any comments or remarks?
+> Thank you for the feedback.
+
+That's quite short on lots of areas.
+
+I will let the future technical hurdles aside and keep the real fun for
+later, and just goes on the obvious ones :
+
+"post with a mageia tag" just mean nothing, that doesn't give any
+indication. If I use a blog system that do not support tag, I cannot be
+syndicated ? If I post commercial stuff ( already happened ) or insult
+people ( also already happened ), that's ok since there is a tag ? 
+If this is not ok, what does happen ?
+
+Another usual area of contention is "Can someone post in a foreign
+language" ?
+
+What happen if someone is no longer a peer, does it get un-syndicated ?
+
+What if someone or someone's post are a cause of controversy without
+being clearly immoral/illegal/etc, and people complains ?
+Non exhaustive list of people complains :
+- Planet gnome :
+    - Mark Shuttleworth ( controversy before he got syndicated ), 
+    - Phillipe Van Hoof ( belgian policy and pro flamand topics, and 
+        quite extreme opinions ), 
+    - David Schlesinger ( basically dissing gnu zealots, and doing Apple
+        promotion ),
+    - Miguel Da Icaza ( mono promotion ) 
+Planet Fedora :
+    - María Gracia Leandro (  posted daily photos on her blog ), 
+    - Nicu Buculei ( posted a photo seen as sexist ( removed now ) )
+Planet Debian :
+    - Raphael Herzog ( used some tools seen as too intrusive on a 
+         privacy level for the debian server, was seen as being asked
+         to be "flattred" )
+
+and that's all the recent examples I have got on my head. Not that I
+cannot find more if I seek, but I guess that's sufficient to explain
+that there is quite interesting challenge preparing.
+
+Not to mention there is also small potential legal issues :
+Should we ask the content be under a free license ( or the website would
+not mix ) ?
+Are we ( we == association ) responsible for this ?
+( IMHO, it would not matter much under DADVSI provisions, and I do not
+expect much trouble at all, but the question have to be asked none the
+less, at least to be consistent with ourself )
+
+ While being co editor at Planet Mandriva, I just didn't care about that
+( PLF style ), and we were also quite 'liberal' in term of choosing who
+could enter and who would get out, but that didn't cause trouble. People
+could post what they wanted about what they wanted, in the language they
+wanted. 
+
+But given the numerous issues that I have seen while discussing with
+people in charge of others planets, more precise guidelines should be
+described. 
+
+Or if you do not want guideline ( which I can also understand, because
+that's usually a point of friction and so a time lose ), this should be
+made clearer.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+