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As said Oliver, please do not touch a +</I>>>><i> website content structure without discussing this first. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> There is a rationale behind this. We did start with a pt-br section +</I>>>><i> and a pt section. The pt one got almost no translation/updates, so we +</I>>>><i> agreed to merge both and have Portugueses/Brazilians discuss among +</I>>>><i> themselves to find the best common localization; unless both teams +</I>>>><i> grow enough to manage two distinct sections (valid for www, blog and +</I>>>><i> maybe other things). +</I>>><i> I im the Pt manager and translater, if you look into translation wiki +</I>>><i> page you will see a PT team. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if you read again what Romain said, you'll see that managing the +</I>><i> two distinct sections require to that the teams are big enough. Would +</I>><i> you guarantee that you can maintain every Mageia website alone? If +</I>><i> that's the case, then this topic can be DISCUSSED, but never FORCED. +</I>><i> You have no rights to change everything because you feel like it would +</I>><i> be better, as said previously. +</I>I thought that the discussion i had we misc would be enough, thats why +i continued and commited the portuguese translation, i didnt want to +cause such an issue. +And yes i can take the website alone, in fact its already done. +Also thought that would be welcome a portuguese translation that would +please and call portuguese users into mageia since would be a distro +with a web pt entry. + +>><i> +</I>>>><i> Making a distinction between pt and pt-br is probably the same as +</I>>>><i> between fr and fr-ch or fr-ca or es, es-ca, es-ar, etc. So for now, we +</I>>>><i> focus on a single localization per main language, unless we have +</I>>>><i> enough people to manage branches of these (zh-tw and zh-cn being a +</I>>>><i> slightly distinct case). +</I>>><i> No, its not the same, there are major differences, there was an +</I>>><i> orthograpgic agreement but that was never put in pratice since +</I>>><i> continue exist words written differently, also exist words that exist +</I>>><i> for brasilians and that dont exist of portugueses. +</I>>><i> If you could have a look into mandriva cooker you would have seen that +</I>>><i> exists aspell-pt and aspell-pt_BR. +</I>>><i> I did mailed about it to mageia ML but i was told that was a thing to +</I>>><i> be changed after freeze, still dont get why since this its not like an +</I>>><i> update... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When I hear "This is a thing to be changed after freeze", I understand +</I>><i> "We're awfully busy now, please refrain from wrecking havoc on the SVN +</I>><i> until we have the time to consider your proposition". +</I>><i> So that's not an update, but that's a potential post-release +</I>><i> improvement. Again, this is absolutely not mandatory. Even if there +</I>><i> are big differences between the two languages, I suppose Brazilians +</I>><i> and Portuguese do understand each other. +</I>I dont understand why this is a kind of thing that would be better to +do after a freeze since the pt translation already exists, would only +force some minor changes. + +>><i> +</I>>>><i> In the meantime (moving pt-br branch into pt) we kept the original +</I>>>><i> pt-br texts, so that explains this: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> also here the correct language code for portuguese brasilian would be pt_BR +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> HTML lang attribute follows <A HREF="http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47">http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47</A> which +</I>>>><i> specifies pt-BR but tolerates pt-br. The lowercase part is preferred +</I>>>><i> because if ever needed, that will be used in the URL path (where +</I>>>><i> lowercase, rather than mixed-case, is preferred as well). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Now, if you would like to have pt-br and pt branches separate, have +</I>>>><i> two teams available to manage these. Thanks. +</I>>><i> As said above they already exist, maybe you should have checked that +</I>>><i> before revert the changes. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So please put back the pt translation back. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe he can decide wether it should be put back or not since he is +</I>><i> kinda in charge of the websites and the communication, IINM. +</I>><i> I don't say your point is irrelevant, but it should be first +</I>><i> discussed. You should have told us about it before changing things on +</I>><i> the SVN. +</I>Yes i could had called this to be discussed but i didnt thought would +it be necessary, thought would be welcome and the necessary steps to +put it available would be easily done and would not cause this kind of +issue, but im still here so that i can help it what is needed. + +>><i> +</I>>><i> Also exists a pt and pt_BR translations for the existant .po files. +</I>>><i> And by the way i did discussed this with misc before continue the +</I>>><i> translation work and he also agrreed that would be correct to be +</I>>><i> pt_BR. +</I>>><i> I think you should really have checked first before undone all the +</I>>><i> work i have commited. +</I>>><i> You also need to create 2 different entries in the mageia webpage, one +</I>>><i> for Portuguese and other for Portuguese Brasilian. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Zé +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Rémi / Akien +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Zé +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001696.html">[Mageia-i18n] Website to translate +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001737.html">[Mageia-i18n] Website to translate +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1736">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1736">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1736">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1736">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">More information about the Mageia-i18n +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |