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Ever. + +On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 22:49, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> given the fact that we basically never use the board for anything +</I>><i> ( there was no meeting in 1 year, almost no mail, ie, everything was +</I>><i> done by council ), +</I> +The board is made of/for the association direction body: president, +secretary, treasurer (all three required for the legal structure), +deputies to help those before, and other specific roles, on proposal. +Now indeed, 3 is a minimum, 6 was good (so there is support available +for the 3 main functions - remember the financial report for +instance?). + +To say that it is useless because it doesn't get much used explicitely +* after only this short time is pretty appalling. And it did got +needed in some occasions, be it only conflict management (ok, we +certainly fucked it up too, but not because of a structural reason +here). + +* for many possible reasons: + - because it happens that all board members are council members, +mostly, at this time - so their action as board members may be +confused with them being council members; + - or because most of its actions are apparently silent; + - or because the focus is not there yet. + +><i> and given the fact that basically, we do not even respect our own procedure +</I>><i> (ie what the use for me to keep track of who is member of the association +</I>><i> if we vote on irc without checking quorum or anything ), +</I> +This is your job, as a secretary, to check quorum, and validate. How +it happens on IRC, mail, with whatever tool, or none, is a practical +matter that's also yours, as a secretary, to take care of. If it +didn't happen as you think it should have, you can oppose it, that's +your right and your role. Or you can resign. + +><i> I would suggest that we massively simplify the whole +</I>><i> organisation by removing the board altogether. +</I>><i> Ie, we just keep the council, and that's all. +</I> +That's disregarding that we designed two bodies for specific reasons: + - council is outside the associative legal structure, with rather +flexible governance and election rules to be enforced and controlled +by the board; this helps coordinating teams and discerning who can +take a lead in the project; + - board is inside and in charge of the legal structure, and of the +actual direction of the project (deciding it, assuming and defending +it). + +Furthermore, these two bodies are meant to avoid a quick, undesired or +too brutal take over of the direction of the project. + +It has been explained since its inception, and repeated. Very +obviously, this failed or is not enough. But that's also board members +tasks to publicize and explain that. It won't just fall on everyone. + +Now, you don't either candidate and join the board to have a title. +You do if you have a clear project in your mind for what you will do, +if you think you can make it happen and if you get elected. + +><i> We did nothing of what we said we would, +</I> +Mageia is still here. 1 got released pretty well. 2 is on its path. So +please be more specific about the rest. + +><i> no one seems to bother enough or to understand the difference +</I>><i> between board and council, or is motivated to keep them separate. +</I> +"no one" is a generality that discards your argument. + +That some may not bother or understand or be motivated is not a reason +to give up in itself. It's a signal that something should change, yes: +education about these, their structure, or the people inside it. It's +not a signal that you should cut a full leg. + +><i> I would like to immediately resign from my position of secretary, +</I>><i> my position on board and on council as packager representative. +</I> +There no "would like to" for that matter. You do, or you don't. No +one's going to forbid you to. So it is. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Board dissolution proposal +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006723.html">[Mageia-discuss] [board-public] Board dissolution proposal +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6722">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6722">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6722">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6722">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |