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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005547.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005547.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1a1c23114 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005547.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Network experts needed to test (routing software). + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Network%20experts%20needed%20to%20test%20%28routing%20software%29.&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.v2s1jfpkn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005548.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Network experts needed to test (routing software).</H1> + <B>David W. Hodgins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Network%20experts%20needed%20to%20test%20%28routing%20software%29.&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.v2s1jfpkn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Network experts needed to test (routing software).">davidwhodgins at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 04:07:53 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005548.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5547">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5547">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5547">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5547">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +We have another update that the qa team is going to need help +with. The quaqqa package is intended to allow a linux system +to act as a router. + +<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2924">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2924</A> + +I've found a testing description at +<A HREF="http://www.corelan.be/index.php/2008/11/16/using-fedora-9-as-an-ospf-bgp-router-quagga-zebra-and-set-up-bgp-between-linux-and-juniper-screenos/">http://www.corelan.be/index.php/2008/11/16/using-fedora-9-as-an-ospf-bgp-router-quagga-zebra-and-set-up-bgp-between-linux-and-juniper-screenos/</A> + +Pretty much all I can test is that it installs cleanly, +which it does. + +Thanks, Dave Hodgins +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005548.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5547">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5547">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5547">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5547">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005548.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005548.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b52e1f8ee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005548.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20presentation%20of%20Mageia%20for%20beginners%20with%0A%09website&In-Reply-To=%3C201110041102.03001.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005547.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005549.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website</H1> + <B>Macxi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20presentation%20of%20Mageia%20for%20beginners%20with%0A%09website&In-Reply-To=%3C201110041102.03001.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website">terraagua at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 16:01:18 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005547.html">[Mageia-discuss] Network experts needed to test (routing software). +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005549.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5548">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5548">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5548">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5548">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +I'm editing a project of website to "new users", summarizing in five items +"the dynamics" of using a distro linux, that, in my opinion is: + +1 - join community of users +2 - download +3 - test the distro +4 - Install +5 - Use + +See website (under construction) suggestion here: +<A HREF="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/mageia-site/5-mga-site-pt/rascunho-04-">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/mageia-site/5-mga-site-pt/rascunho-04-</A> +Mageia-1-005-rasc-en.html + +I put the "join community" first, becouse I guess its the best way to get +information about the other phases, especially for beginners, that often don't +know how is important and interesting - for those using linux - to participate +and colaborate in a community of users. + +Note: Tópic in Mageia Forum -> Re: Presentation of Mageia for beginners with +website - Postby macxi » Oct 4th, '11, 03:49 ( +<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1093#p8974">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1093#p8974</A> ) + +Cheers :) +Macxi + + +Em ter 20 set 2011, às 13:42:42, você escreveu: +><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm proposing to present the "desktop of Mageia" for beginners with a +</I>><i> website. Is very simple and not very pretty, it is still only a draft. +</I>><i> Don't have explanatory text or tips, just images (not yet, but it can be +</I>><i> placed). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/mageia-site/5-mga-site-en/Mageia-1.html">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/mageia-site/5-mga-site-en/Mageia-1.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The main idea is to give basic guidance for beginners, and in the future, +</I>><i> add text to guidance and links to help texts for each application, if +</I>><i> there is concordance mageia team. It is a proposal to Mageia, but can be a +</I>><i> tool suitable for any linux distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I made a joke with the invitation "follow the white rabbit", known from the +</I>><i> movie Matrix, but in fact is the story of Alice in Wonderland. While in +</I>><i> other stories, princesses lived melancholy waiting for Prince Charming, +</I>><i> the Alice of Lewis Carroll, even if in a dream, do not hesitate to follow +</I>><i> that white rabbit and live an adventure. And I use images to celebrate +</I>><i> the first year of Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I open a topic in Mageia Fórum: "Presentation of Mageia for beginners with +</I>><i> website" ( <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1093">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1093</A> ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> Macxi +</I></PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005547.html">[Mageia-discuss] Network experts needed to test (routing software). +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005549.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5548">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5548">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5548">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5548">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005549.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005549.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..665574a70 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005549.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20presentation%20of%20Mageia%20for%20beginners%20with%0A%09website&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B14D9.8020206%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005548.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005550.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20presentation%20of%20Mageia%20for%20beginners%20with%0A%09website&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B14D9.8020206%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 16:14:49 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005548.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power? 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+ + + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005548.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5549">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5549">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5549">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5549">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005550.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005550.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5efe85ef9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005550.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Why%20would%20runlevel%203%20take%20more%20power%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201110040953.32305.carver%40cs.siu.edu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005549.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005551.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power?</H1> + <B>Norman Carver</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Why%20would%20runlevel%203%20take%20more%20power%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201110040953.32305.carver%40cs.siu.edu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power?">carver at cs.siu.edu + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 16:53:32 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005549.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005551.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5550">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5550">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5550">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5550">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Monday, October 03, 2011 12:33:14 PM Liam R E Quin wrote: +><i> You could check with powertop. If you're measuring (e.g. via ssh from +</I>><i> another system) when the system is inactive, it might be that the video +</I>><i> driver for X turns the video card into a power-saving mode when it's +</I>><i> idle, and the console driver isn't doing that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Are you including the display in your measurement? How exactly are you +</I>><i> measuring? +</I> +Using powertop to try to see what is using power is a good idea, thanks. + +I was using a power meter that reads the power being drawn from the +outlet by the computer. + +Readings were being made while I had a monitor hooked up and being +used, so video card could not have been inactive. + +I was interested in idle power draw, so not doing anything (and waited +for draw to stabilize after boot, login, etc.). top shows cpus as around +98% idle even when in runlevel 5, but the X11 process is one of the +top cpu users so odd that eliminating it would cause power increase. +Norm +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005549.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation of Mageia for beginners with website +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005551.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5550">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5550">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5550">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5550">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005551.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005551.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d27a8fffa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005551.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B2A50.1010303%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005550.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005552.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B2A50.1010303%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 17:46:24 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005552.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5551">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5551">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5551">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5551">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 09/16/2011 01:29 PM, philippe makowski wrote: +><i> You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer. +</I>><i> isn't time to set up teams ? +</I> +I did not keep the original message - what has happened in the meantime? + +- has the goal concerning the number of maintainers been reached? +- is CERBERUS still on a thick chain of tungsten (I hope!)? +- what about the list of packages and their state of maintenance? +- is there any follow-up? + +This issue is essential for the future of Mageia - Mageia must have a +list of maintained packages that compares favourably to its competitor +distros. I just saw a recent comment to bug 278: " ... drakx-net does +not have a maintainer ..." - drakx food for Cerberos??? I think the idea +to shout for new maintainers was excellent, and should be iterated. How +about leaning on Mageia users that have competence, but are - so far - +not actively involved? Magiea is a community distro! + +Could there be more information for such techy-newbies to motivate them, +help them to jump down from the fence? Tell them what effort, what +competence, what responsibility is implied by signing up? That is a +long-term initiative! Nobody will reasonable start and immediately pick +up tons of packages, I started with 2 (well, one of them is a set of +packages). But only once I feel safe with that initial commitment I +could consider taking more (which means a couple of months from now). + +I realize, Mageia is doing exceedingly well, and there is no need to +dramatize the situation - but it is not me who invented Cerberos ... And +the people who did Mageia 1 should have their hands free for doing +Mageia 2 rather than polishing up old stuff. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005552.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5551">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5551">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5551">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5551">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005552.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005552.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5b77fc574 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005552.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%09CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201110041754.25632.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005551.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005553.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%09CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201110041754.25632.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 17:54:25 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005551.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005553.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5552">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5552">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5552">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5552">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 4 octobre 2011 17:46:24, Juergen Harms a écrit : +><i> On 09/16/2011 01:29 PM, philippe makowski wrote: +</I>><i> > You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer. +</I>><i> > isn't time to set up teams ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I did not keep the original message - what has happened in the meantime? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - has the goal concerning the number of maintainers been reached? +</I> +The actual Goal is 0 unmaintained packages. We managed to drop it from +approximatively 5000 to 2900, not bad but not enough yet. + +><i> - is CERBERUS still on a thick chain of tungsten (I hope!)? +</I> +Yes, this is the kind of solution that would happen only when everything else +has been tried, I think. + +><i> - what about the list of packages and their state of maintenance? +</I>><i> - is there any follow-up? +</I> +You'll find everything in the mageia-dev mailing list archives, I post regular +reports. + +><i> +</I>><i> This issue is essential for the future of Mageia - Mageia must have a +</I>><i> list of maintained packages that compares favourably to its competitor +</I>><i> distros. I just saw a recent comment to bug 278: " ... drakx-net does +</I>><i> not have a maintainer ..." - drakx food for Cerberos??? I think the idea +</I>><i> to shout for new maintainers was excellent, and should be iterated. How +</I>><i> about leaning on Mageia users that have competence, but are - so far - +</I>><i> not actively involved? Magiea is a community distro! +</I> +Yes, the ultimate solution is to have more and more contributers, of course, +we're already doing it with the mentoring program, but if you have ideas that +you can apply to find more, please do :) + +><i> +</I>><i> Could there be more information for such techy-newbies to motivate them, +</I>><i> help them to jump down from the fence? Tell them what effort, what +</I>><i> competence, what responsibility is implied by signing up? That is a +</I>><i> long-term initiative! Nobody will reasonable start and immediately pick +</I>><i> up tons of packages, I started with 2 (well, one of them is a set of +</I>><i> packages). But only once I feel safe with that initial commitment I +</I>><i> could consider taking more (which means a couple of months from now). +</I> +Yes, that's reasonable. The new wiki should be up soon, that kind of document +will find its place there. + +><i> +</I>><i> I realize, Mageia is doing exceedingly well, and there is no need to +</I>><i> dramatize the situation - but it is not me who invented Cerberos ... And +</I>><i> the people who did Mageia 1 should have their hands free for doing +</I>><i> Mageia 2 rather than polishing up old stuff. +</I> +I don't understand this last sentence. Do you mean we shouldn't maintain +Mageia 1? I think this is not what you mean, but then I don't understand. + +Best regards + +Samuel Verschelde +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20111004/43987e66/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005551.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005553.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5552">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5552">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5552">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5552">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005553.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005553.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..124a5f112 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005553.html @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B3796.20205%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005552.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005554.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B3796.20205%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 18:43:02 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005552.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005554.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5553">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5553">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5553">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5553">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 04.10.2011 17:54, schrieb Samuel Verschelde: +><i> +</I>><i> Le mardi 4 octobre 2011 17:46:24, Juergen Harms a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > On 09/16/2011 01:29 PM, philippe makowski wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > isn't time to set up teams ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I did not keep the original message - what has happened in the meantime? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > - has the goal concerning the number of maintainers been reached? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The actual Goal is 0 unmaintained packages. We managed to drop it from +</I>><i> approximatively 5000 to 2900, not bad but not enough yet. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > - is CERBERUS still on a thick chain of tungsten (I hope!)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, this is the kind of solution that would happen only when everything else +</I>><i> has been tried, I think. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > - what about the list of packages and their state of maintenance? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > - is there any follow-up? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You'll find everything in the mageia-dev mailing list archives, I post +</I>><i> regular reports. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > This issue is essential for the future of Mageia - Mageia must have a +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > list of maintained packages that compares favourably to its competitor +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > distros. I just saw a recent comment to bug 278: " ... drakx-net does +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > not have a maintainer ..." - drakx food for Cerberos??? I think the idea +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > to shout for new maintainers was excellent, and should be iterated. How +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > about leaning on Mageia users that have competence, but are - so far - +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > not actively involved? Magiea is a community distro! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, the ultimate solution is to have more and more contributers, of course, +</I>><i> we're already doing it with the mentoring program, but if you have ideas that +</I>><i> you can apply to find more, please do :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Could there be more information for such techy-newbies to motivate them, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > help them to jump down from the fence? Tell them what effort, what +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > competence, what responsibility is implied by signing up? That is a +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > long-term initiative! Nobody will reasonable start and immediately pick +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > up tons of packages, I started with 2 (well, one of them is a set of +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > packages). But only once I feel safe with that initial commitment I +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > could consider taking more (which means a couple of months from now). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, that's reasonable. The new wiki should be up soon, that kind of document +</I>><i> will find its place there. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I realize, Mageia is doing exceedingly well, and there is no need to +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > dramatize the situation - but it is not me who invented Cerberos ... And +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > the people who did Mageia 1 should have their hands free for doing +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Mageia 2 rather than polishing up old stuff. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't understand this last sentence. Do you mean we shouldn't maintain +</I>><i> Mageia 1? I think this is not what you mean, but then I don't understand. +</I>><i> +</I>I think he means the developers should have their hands free for working on +cauldron / Mageia 2 and somebody else should do the "polishing" which seems +to mean bugfixing and security updates for the released distro, IIUC. +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Best regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel Verschelde +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005552.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005554.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5553">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5553">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5553">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5553">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005554.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005554.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3b164d24a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005554.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B3F5D.9020203%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005553.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005555.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B3F5D.9020203%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 19:16:13 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005553.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005555.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5554">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5554">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5554">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5554">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 10/04/2011 05:54 PM, Samuel Verschelde wrote: +><i> we're already doing it with the mentoring program +</I> +I realise very much. But at the long term the problem might not be +mentoring, but recruiting - how? + + > ideas that you can apply to find more, please do + +That is why I am making noise (-. But maybe the "discuss" list is not +the right place - people who read this list will know already. + +><i> I don't understand this last sentence. Do you mean we shouldn't maintain +</I>><i> Mageia 1? I think this is not what you mean, but then I don't understand. +</I> +What I mean is: the team that made Mageia 1 has done a great job - it is +evident, that they are needed to play a similar leading role with +Mageia2. Off-loading all (most) work concerned with keeping Mageia1 in +shape to maintainers is the evident solution to keep their load within +limits - another aspect why having maintainers is essential (I assume +that, at present, if an essential package is broken and has no +maintainer, the developers play a role as a last ressort). +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005553.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005555.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5554">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5554">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5554">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5554">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005555.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005555.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1a5706243 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005555.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%09CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201110041936.59567.maarten%40rmail.be%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005554.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005556.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%09CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201110041936.59567.maarten%40rmail.be%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !">maarten at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 19:36:59 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005554.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005556.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5555">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5555">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5555">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5555">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 04 oktober 2011 19:16:13 schreef Juergen Harms: +[...] +><i> What I mean is: the team that made Mageia 1 has done a great job - it is +</I>><i> evident, that they are needed to play a similar leading role with +</I>><i> Mageia2. Off-loading all (most) work concerned with keeping Mageia1 in +</I>><i> shape to maintainers is the evident solution to keep their load within +</I>><i> limits - another aspect why having maintainers is essential (I assume +</I>><i> that, at present, if an essential package is broken and has no +</I>><i> maintainer, the developers play a role as a last ressort). +</I> +imho, that's not exactly how things go. + +you have to think that people who made mageia 1 (with regards to packaging) +are the ones who are now maintainer of a lot of programs, and maintaining +means fixing all the bugs reports of mageia1 AND if they want to, releasing new +versions in cauldron. + +fixing bug reports in mageia1 has priority, because usually a while before +freeze is coming, there's a quick jump of alot of maintainers releasing their +newest version so that it gets into mageia2. + +you have to keep in mind that Cauldron is exactly what it says, a development +version, not one to be used by users (normally), cauldron is not the version +that needs support. only increasingly when mageia2 release schedule comes +nearer is when stableness is required in cauldron. (the time inbetween also +has to be used to make features and sadly those features are mostly being done +by the same people who maintain packages.) + +So each packagers/developer has to manage their time wisely between +implementing the features that they have promised to do (the exact featurelist +is fixed a while ago), and also fixing old bugs and IF they have the time, fixing +bugs in cauldron. + +as such, we need more maintainers, but they have to be mentored, so it always +takes a while. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005554.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005556.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5555">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5555">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5555">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5555">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005556.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005556.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d7227eb54 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005556.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B507D.6070903%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005555.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="005557.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%20CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4E8B507D.6070903%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 20:29:17 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005555.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005557.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5556">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5556">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5556">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5556">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Maybe my note was also susceptible to be misunderstood in its general +tone: I did not want to complain - quite the other way round: the +initiative to launch getting maintainers was a perfect thing done at the +perfect moment. + +I just had not seen what happened after the initial exchange of mail and +wanted to know more - and I wanted to make noise to avoid to have this +topic being "shifted into the archives". The score you mention looks +quite impressive. + +My suggestion is to discuss how the scope of the search for more +maintainers can be extended. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005555.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005557.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5556">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5556">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5556">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5556">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005557.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005557.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..558923dc5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/005557.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%09CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201110042056.49069.alien%40rmail.be%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="005556.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MANDATORY%20READ%20%3A%207%20days%20before%20misc%20unleashes%0A%09CERBERUS%20%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201110042056.49069.alien%40rmail.be%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 4 20:56:49 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005556.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 04 oktober 2011 20:29:17 schreef Juergen Harms: +><i> Maybe my note was also susceptible to be misunderstood in its general +</I>><i> tone: I did not want to complain - quite the other way round: the +</I>><i> initiative to launch getting maintainers was a perfect thing done at the +</I>><i> perfect moment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I just had not seen what happened after the initial exchange of mail and +</I>><i> wanted to know more - and I wanted to make noise to avoid to have this +</I>><i> topic being "shifted into the archives". The score you mention looks +</I>><i> quite impressive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My suggestion is to discuss how the scope of the search for more +</I>><i> maintainers can be extended. +</I> +I was not trying to make you uncomfortable at all, i was merely providing the +info you were asking (from my pov). + +however if you're more interested in this, perhaps you could come to the +meeting on wednesday, where this is discussed, alternatively, you could also +look up the meeting logs, where alot of alternatives were discussed (you can +find these in the wiki) +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005556.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4adfd771c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20111004/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 4 October 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>4 October 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 4 04:07:53 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 4 20:56:49 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 11<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="005550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Why would runlevel 3 take more power? +</A><A NAME="5550"> </A> +<I>Norman Carver +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="005551.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A><A NAME="5551"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="005554.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A><A NAME="5554"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="005556.html">[Mageia-discuss] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS ! +</A><A NAME="5556"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="005547.html">[Mageia-discuss] Network experts needed to test (routing software). +</A><A NAME="5547"> </A> +<I>David W. 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