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It is *not* so the user has the convenience of not choosing +</I>><i> their language, but because it is difficult to have a "complete" enough system +</I>><i> catering to most use cases in under 700MB that supports all the languages. So +</I>><i> for example, the choice is to drop LibreOffice, or only support a few +</I>><i> languages per ISO. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If the software for a good default install would fit on +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> How does he/she solve it to install Mageia? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> My idea is that we transform the full-DVD iso to one-language only, but +</I>>>><i> more iso's in the end. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, it is your opinion that>90% of the users use more than ~ 60% of the +</I>><i> software that will fit on a DVD ISO (without any other languages)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe you should start off with your proposal of what these packages are that +</I>><i> are so important to be included on 100 DVD ISOs. +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Like this: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> mageia-dvd-1-i586.iso in a language-dir under +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/iso/1/">ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/iso/1/</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The result is that you shrink the DVD much& you can add other stuff that +</I>>>><i> doesn't fit in the ordinary DVD's for some reason.......perhaps add more +</I>>>><i> drivers. +</I> +I think that you are deluding yourself about how much space is saved. Language +files tend to be very small, compared to binaries. + +>><i> Yes, but you will get an iso with unnessecary drivers. And unnessecary +</I>>><i> applications. Maybe we can make ISOs with only one language, one driver +</I>>><i> and one application ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It starts to sound like it should just be a custom live image made with +</I>><i> draklive ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why stop there? What about variations for authentication libraries (e.g., some +</I>><i> people may not want *any* LDAP in their system)? In this case, we may want to +</I>><i> have versions of the packages built without LDAP support. Same for PAM (like +</I>><i> Slackware). Same for databases. Maybe one without any php? One for python- +</I>><i> haters (let's hope they don't have HP printers)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe a Gentoo-based system that compiles the whole distro with the selected +</I>><i> features and genearates an ISO. But, then, why generate the ISO, updates would +</I>><i> have to be customised anyway. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It seems you have come up with a solution to a problem that either does not +</I>><i> exist, or that you have not been able to communicate, with significant costs +</I>><i> on *everyone* involved in the distribution, with no motivated benefits. +</I> +We could end up being the only 1000-iso distro ! +We'd make it to the Guiness book of records :) :) :) + +><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Buchan +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005302.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'd like to start to discuss the possibility of having one language per iso when it comes to full DVD-versions, similar to the Live-versions. +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005311.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'd like to start to discuss the possibility of having one language per iso when it comes to full DVD-versions, similar to the Live-versions. +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5307">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5307">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5307">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5307">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |