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And then they learned about the planned switch. +</I>><i> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :) +</I> +indeed, noone said anything, but that is how i felt. + +The thing is, that cooker testers are a bunch of people who do things in more +or less the same way; i fear regular users might do stuff another way. + +imo, i think/fear Mandriva will (after they release) have some RPM5 issues +that regular users will be impacted of. + +I would take the sure road, and keep our working tools at level before the +upgrade; and follow up the stuff that happens. + +imo, if we don't use rpm5 right now, we lose nothing; i'm sure it'll be an +improvement; however, is it necessary at this moment? i think not. + +imo the risk outweighs the benefits at this time. especially since we're short +on time. + +><i> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a +</I>><i> big asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later. +</I>><i> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ? +</I> +I'm had discussions with Per around the time of the forking. however, i (and +others) feel that we need to structure ourselves first before going down that +route. + +I think after the release (and org structure will be stable) we could very +well start the talks, imho. + +thing to keep in mind is that Mandriva is backed by a company and we by our +non-profit organisation, the last thing i would want to do is taint the +organisation, so we need to be careful there. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3162">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3162">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3162">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3162">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |