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(for +</I>>>><i> instance if Mageia 2011 appears april 2011, I send a DVD to my friend +</I>>>><i> who installs it on his new computer in september 2011 .... and he will +</I>>>><i> be asked to update his installed Mageia) +</I>>>><i> If he cannot download a CD iso because of his connection, he cannot +</I>>>><i> download 700 Mo of updates !!! +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> It might be useful to provide +</I>>>><i> "updated" DVD iso or CD iso, some time after the release was provided, +</I>>>><i> so that those burned DVD or CD can be sent to people with slow internet +</I>>>><i> connection, freeing them of huge updates to download !!! +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The only solution I have for now with Mandriva is to keep a copy of +</I>>>><i> each dowloaded updated rpm in a folder, and to fill a DVD with those +</I>>>><i> rpms (it is a DVD of updates, not an updated DVD...) and to send it. +</I>>>><i> My friend copyes those rpms in a specially created folder, and add this +</I>>>><i> folder as a source in rpmdrake... (not so easy for a newbie) and he can +</I>>>><i> get an up to date working Mandriva immediately... +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> my 2 pence +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Actually, good point. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Would there be a better way to do this? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It's a shame that Mandriva/Mageia does not add the updates to the official +</I>>><i> ISO. This would then not be an issue. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Perhaps we could ask for this as a feature? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Are there any devs on the list who could provide some opinion? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Using delta rpms would reduce the size of the updates, or has my lack +</I>><i> of understanding of delta roms got in the way? +</I>><i> +</I> +Delta rpms, relative to the latest distro release, are long overdue. +(And not only in the Mandriva world. Also for Mozilla, OpenOffice, etc.) +Note that for much commercial software, updates are normally delta. +Such updates are often erroneously called patches. +This may be partly a limitation of rpm packages, or more the programs +that install/update such packages. If so, it should be a priority to +correct this lack. + +(aside +The latest 3 updates for Mozilla Seamonkey were for security, all in the +same month, and only a handful of the many thousands of contained files +were changed. But it required downloading almost 13 M instead of +probably less than 100 K. For a distribution containing thousands of +such packages, it is understandably worse. +/aside) + +However, the idea of update ISOs is good as well. +This could be facilitated by the option of downloading the latest update +for each package of the release not already present in the download +destination (and preferably removing outdated updates). +There is already an option for Rpmdrake to not erase downloaded packages. +(Unfortunately one must manually edit a configuration file to select it, +but that can easily be corrected.) +It also would be useful to have the option to change the download +destination. +With these changes, creating an update ISO would be only a matter of +copying the contents of the update directory to an ISO. +Of course, an utility to directly create an update ISO from the +repository would be useful, but the advantage of the above approach is +that a moderately limited bandwidth user could download updates as +produced (that is over an extended period), and produce complete update +ISOs for others at any time. + +my 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002864.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2870">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2870">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2870">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2870">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |