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Other packagers aren't going to say anything +</I>>><i> because it's not their package and because, like you, they don't really +</I>>><i> notice the missing descriptions. And ordinary users aren't part of that +</I>>><i> world, so it doesn't occur to them to say anything, or to contribute +</I>>><i> in any way, because it would seem presumptuous. I think Mageia should +</I>>><i> make a special effort to recruit, to make to feel comfortable, users +</I>>><i> who might want to contribute but don't know how, who feel kind of lost +</I>>><i> at sea when it comes to knowing where to begin. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, we could organize some days on the forum/ml/irc/whatever where +</I>><i> people collectively review packages descriptions. Some people could +</I>><i> review current packages, some other could write proper description, a +</I>><i> third set will review it, and the last part of the group will organize +</I>><i> this with packagers and push the description to cauldron. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And we could also have people who dedicate them self to read packages +</I>><i> description in changelog to notice such problems in time. +</I> +All this sounds good, although you have an even better and simpler idea +below. + +><i> Debian also has a set of guideline about description, that we could +</I>><i> reuse to improve ours : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-pkg-synopsis">http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-pkg-synopsis</A> +</I> +Nice. + +>>><i> So if we want to scale and make it work, then we need to find how to +</I>>>><i> make people who are directly concerned contribute. And so, the best way +</I>>>><i> to find why something didn't happen is to simply ask to people who are +</I>>>><i> directly concerned. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Exactly. There needs to be some way new users can be informed, either in +</I>>><i> the install process itself or via, say, an icon on the desktop which, +</I>>><i> when clicked, explains briefly what Mageia is, how users can contribute, +</I>>><i> where they can go to get more information, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe a entry "report problem" in the menu that would send them either +</I>><i> to bugzilla ( but I feel this would not be ideal to new users ) or to a +</I>><i> forum/ml/irc ( which would be nice, but I feel that I putting the +</I>><i> problem on someone else shoulder and that's not nice ) ? +</I> +I like the idea of pointing users to a forum. Perhaps there could be a +forum or forum section dedicated specifically to problem reports. It +would also help if one or more individuals with expertise monitored the +forum, asked follow-up questions, or even educated the users in that +forum on how to use the bug report system. But I don't see why that +would not be nice, since nobody would be forced to participate in the +forum. Of course, if no experts participate and newbies are left to +talk to each other, it won't work. + +><i> Or something that point to a translated page with instructions ? +</I> +This is a VERY good idea, simple to implement, that would guide the +newbie volunteer without (initially) taking up anyone's time (once the +instructions have been written). I would suggest that this be an icon +on the desktop. It could open a file on the user's system, or it could +access the url where those instructions are located. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2616">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2616">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2616">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2616">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |