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There's much to learn +</I>>>><i> > for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for +</I>>>><i> > the newcommers. +</I>>>><i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a +</I>>>><i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were +</I>>>><i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep "bad" newcomers out), but +</I>>>><i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on +</I>>>><i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters' +</I>>>><i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project, +</I>>>><i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team +</I>>>><i> members. +</I>>><i> As said before. There is no problem with having "masters" and "padawans" (I +</I>>><i> would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions. +</I>>><i> I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people +</I>>><i> with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some +</I>>><i> discussions on the mls do read different). +</I>>><i> I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers, +</I>>><i> correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages +</I>>><i> but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be +</I>>><i> said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have +</I>>><i> builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities +</I>>><i> whose spec files made me shudder). +</I>>><i> But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board +</I>>><i> members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those +</I>>><i> whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active +</I>>><i> community members and passers-by who just want to "troll vote". But as you +</I>>><i> described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those +</I>>><i> poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities) +</I>>><i> would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does +</I>>><i> take. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Oliver +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people +</I>><i> will be in charge of decision making forever. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be +</I>><i> replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new +</I>><i> packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old +</I>><i> packager. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts +</I>><i> working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence. +</I>><i> (trust is gained not given, right?). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you, +</I>><i> doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get +</I>><i> older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take +</I>><i> some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence +</I>><i> before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy +</I>><i> until a new new guy joins.). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I> +P.S. I forgot to say I like the term "padawans" too. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2244">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2244">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2244">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2244">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |