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There's much to learn +</I>>><i> > for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for +</I>>><i> > the newcommers. +</I>>><i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a +</I>>><i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were +</I>>><i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep "bad" newcomers out), but +</I>>><i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on +</I>>><i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters' +</I>>><i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project, +</I>>><i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team +</I>>><i> members. +</I>><i> As said before. There is no problem with having "masters" and "padawans" (I +</I>><i> would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions. +</I>><i> I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people +</I>><i> with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some +</I>><i> discussions on the mls do read different). +</I>><i> I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers, +</I>><i> correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages +</I>><i> but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be +</I>><i> said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have +</I>><i> builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities +</I>><i> whose spec files made me shudder). +</I>><i> But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board +</I>><i> members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those +</I>><i> whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active +</I>><i> community members and passers-by who just want to "troll vote". But as you +</I>><i> described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those +</I>><i> poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities) +</I>><i> would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does +</I>><i> take. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people +will be in charge of decision making forever. + +If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be +replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new +packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old +packager. + +Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts +working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence. +(trust is gained not given, right?). + +(For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you, +doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get +older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take +some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence +before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy +until a new new guy joins.). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2243">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2243">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2243">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2243">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |