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Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give +</I>><i> > to mageia project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned +</I>><i> > paypal, i sent paypal many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal +</I>><i> > and yesterday we were pleased to know that our paypal account was +</I>><i> > verified so no more limitation, we can overtake the limit of 2000€, and +</I>><i> > it is overtaken. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on +</I>><i> > each donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79€ but commission +</I>><i> > removed the donations are 2851.9€, a bit more than 4% of commission +</I>><i> > (well the real commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the +</I>><i> > amount). Donations using paypal are ranging from 3 to 500€ +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Bank transfert allows to get 1810€ and bank check 75€, to give 4736.9€ +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess +</I>><i> > Maât, who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him +</I>><i> > some nice job by adding new languages! For example, what about greek , +</I>><i> > finnish, swedish (or norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian +</I>><i> > announcements? Yes !! So translators, have a look at +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Maât will be very +</I>><i> > happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another language +</I>><i> > I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Maât you +</I>><i> > are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to +</I>><i> > congratulate him, he likes it :þ +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank +</I>><i> > account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days, +</I>><i> > but no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving +</I>><i> > donations. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I was about to forget, as Maât said in a previous mail, « Mageia IS +</I>><i> > definetely the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of +</I>><i> > Life, The Universe, and Everything » +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everythin">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everythin</A> +</I>><i> > g#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_ +</I>><i> > .2842.29> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A> +</I>><i> > DonationMageia424242.png> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I stop here, next step 10,000€ ? Ok ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Olivier Méjean +</I>><i> > Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva +</I>><i> > Linux <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +</I>><i> > twitter : obagoom +</I>><i> > identi.ca : goom +</I>><i> +</I>><i> *cough* +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and +</I>><i> not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help +</I>><i> but raising a question.. +</I>><i> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and +</I>><i> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet, +</I>><i> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or +</I>><i> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions? +</I>><i> I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and +</I>><i> accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what +</I>><i> they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not.. +</I>><i> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something +</I>><i> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain +</I>><i> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company +</I>><i> such as Mandriva..? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Although commenting on this with irony in tone, I really must say that +</I>><i> what seems to me as a general lack of knowledge, information and +</I>><i> involvement of people in discussions around much of this gives a less +</I>><i> assuring impression, leaving me wonder a lot about what all of the +</I>><i> work on this the previous months might've been, what discussions that +</I>><i> might currently take place, whether you've already decided on final +</I>><i> details, are about to decide on, or are planning on putting together a +</I>><i> proposal for commmunity discussion, feedback and consensus to worked +</I>><i> out around..? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, my bias is given, my devious motives being probably any evil +</I>><i> thing you could imagine and all, far to easy detecting way already and +</I>><i> then some before first, earlier, afterwards, +</I>><i> pastpresentfuturebeforeandall, but I think you should make sure to not +</I>><i> fall short of coming off as actually better on these things than the +</I>><i> company you want to distanse you from.. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Having either these details in place before announcing the project, or +</I>><i> announcing the project with an invitation to participate in defining +</I>><i> it would seem more sensible to me, you might just find yourself in a +</I>><i> bad situation with people easily becoming aggitated and easily upset, +</I>><i> especially when there's money involved, demands greater, more pressure +</I>><i> put on you living up to different and perhaps conflicting +</I>><i> expectations.. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oh well, just some mostly constructive critic, or perhaps plain ol' +</I>><i> nagging, and some petty words of caution, hoping to see some of this +</I>><i> answered, accepting the scepticism and hopefully showing yourself able +</I>><i> to address it and also ultimately publishing some really neat goals +</I>><i> easy to relate to, and cool plans that could be of interest to all of +</I>><i> us. \o/ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Best of luck and always remember that shoving is the answer, shoving +</I>><i> will protect you! ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Hugz&kizzez<3 +</I>><i> Per Øyvind +</I> + +imo; i think the major point all of us want to have and agree on is to have +more community input in the distribution. + +and iirc, donation button and the like was suggested by people in the +community themselves. + +otoh, i can understand you need funding to get started as well. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1649">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1649">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1649">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1649">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |