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+ <B>Ireneusz Gierlach</B>
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+<PRE> On 09/29/2010 05:00 PM, Adrian Marcinkowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-29 19:17, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can also help out with the EN version :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can help out with the Polish version. I have already finished
+</I>&gt;<i> translating all the entries but nobody could tell me where to submit
+</I>&gt;<i> them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Adrian
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Co-op Time ;)
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+ <B>rom1dep</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de rom1dep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 29 septembre 2010 08:44
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I find this one pretty cool, maybe the colors need to be reworked a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> little but this proposal is modern, attractive, nice work !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi rom1dep,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wich one? You didn't provide the link. ;)
+</I>
+
+I'm speaking about
+<A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A> , just
+like if I was posting at the bottom of a ML-thread ;)
+
+Romain.
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+ <B>Adrian Marcinkowski</B>
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-30 00:02, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:
+&gt;<i> Co-op Time ;)
+</I>
+Sure! You can catch me on the Polish IRC channel once the blog teams are
+established.
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:41 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> How much Mageia Foundation needs to start its operations?
+</I>
+This is not a Foundation, this is a association, which is a little bit
+different from a legal point of view.
+
+And well, I think we need to pay for the domain name
+( 12 e/y ), for the trademark ( 400e ), for the disks ( no estimate yet,
+depend on the size and the price ), for some part of the hosting ( can
+be quite cheap or not, a small server for dns/smtp/etc, cost around 20
+to 30 euros per months ). You can also add some administrative fees
+( bank account, sending letter to association members, etc ).
+
+So the bare minimum is quite low. But with it, you do not do much.
+
+With more money, well, better and more servers can be bought ( faster
+build, more services, spare hardware in case of problem ), developers
+travel and so on. For example, Opensuse have invited us to come at their
+conference in Nuremberg, but that's a little bit too far and expensive
+for me, so I guess I will have to decline.
+
+You can also see how Mozilla foundation, or Wikimedia does and spend
+their money, but their need are far greater than ours.
+
+Usually, this is the available funds that decide what can be done, and
+not the reverse.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>I can help with the English blog if needed!
+On Sep 29, 2010 1:12 PM, &quot;Damien Lallement&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at damsweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be
+</I>&gt;<i> in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Damien Lallement
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello there !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been limited.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned paypal, i sent paypal
+</I>&gt;<i> many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal and yesterday we were
+</I>&gt;<i> pleased to know that our paypal account was verified so no more limitation, we
+</I>&gt;<i> can overtake the limit of 2000&#8364;, and it is overtaken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on each
+</I>&gt;<i> donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79&#8364; but commission removed the
+</I>&gt;<i> donations are 2851.9&#8364;, a bit more than 4% of commission (well the real
+</I>&gt;<i> commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the amount). Donations using
+</I>&gt;<i> paypal are ranging from 3 to 500&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bank transfert allows to get 1810&#8364; and bank check 75&#8364;, to give 4736.9&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess Ma&#226;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him some nice job
+</I>&gt;<i> by adding new languages! For example, what about greek , finnish, swedish (or
+</I>&gt;<i> norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian announcements? Yes !! So translators,
+</I>&gt;<i> have a look at <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> will be very happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another
+</I>&gt;<i> language I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> you are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
+</I>&gt;<i> congratulate him, he likes it :&#254;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
+</I>&gt;<i> account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days, but
+</I>&gt;<i> no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving donations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was about to forget, as Ma&#226;t said in a previous mail, &#171; Mageia IS definetely
+</I>&gt;<i> the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+</I>&gt;<i> The Universe, and Everything &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> DonationMageia424242.png&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> identi.ca : goom
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>*cough*
+
+Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and
+not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help
+but raising a question..
+Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and
+accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what
+they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not..
+But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+such as Mandriva..?
+
+Although commenting on this with irony in tone, I really must say that
+what seems to me as a general lack of knowledge, information and
+involvement of people in discussions around much of this gives a less
+assuring impression, leaving me wonder a lot about what all of the
+work on this the previous months might've been, what discussions that
+might currently take place, whether you've already decided on final
+details, are about to decide on, or are planning on putting together a
+proposal for commmunity discussion, feedback and consensus to worked
+out around..?
+
+Well, my bias is given, my devious motives being probably any evil
+thing you could imagine and all, far to easy detecting way already and
+then some before first, earlier, afterwards,
+pastpresentfuturebeforeandall, but I think you should make sure to not
+fall short of coming off as actually better on these things than the
+company you want to distanse you from..
+
+Having either these details in place before announcing the project, or
+announcing the project with an invitation to participate in defining
+it would seem more sensible to me, you might just find yourself in a
+bad situation with people easily becoming aggitated and easily upset,
+especially when there's money involved, demands greater, more pressure
+put on you living up to different and perhaps conflicting
+expectations..
+
+Oh well, just some mostly constructive critic, or perhaps plain ol'
+nagging, and some petty words of caution, hoping to see some of this
+answered, accepting the scepticism and hopefully showing yourself able
+to address it and also ultimately publishing some really neat goals
+easy to relate to, and cool plans that could be of interest to all of
+us. \o/
+
+Best of luck and always remember that shoving is the answer, shoving
+will protect you! ;)
+
+--
+Hugz&amp;kizzez&lt;3
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 09:55, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not really, I've been porting more or less most tools of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution to rpm5 already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is rpm5 compatible with rpm4?
+</I>&gt;<i> What I mean is, with a distribution based on rpm5, will packages created
+</I>&gt;<i> with rpm4 (likely from the latest current version) be installable without
+</I>&gt;<i> problem (provided the dependencies are met)?
+</I>Yupp. :)
+
+Rpm5 support for current apt also exists already too btw., similar
+things can easily be done within short time on most of requests given
+or features desired if you'd be interested in adopting it and provided
+with help in maintaining and developing it on Mageia if you'd decide
+for it. ;)
+
+At least now you know that we'll happily be available to you. :o)
+--
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+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 &#224; 01:00 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello there !!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been limited.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned paypal, i sent paypal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal and yesterday we were
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pleased to know that our paypal account was verified so no more limitation, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can overtake the limit of 2000&#8364;, and it is overtaken.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on each
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79&#8364; but commission removed the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; donations are 2851.9&#8364;, a bit more than 4% of commission (well the real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the amount). Donations using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; paypal are ranging from 3 to 500&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bank transfert allows to get 1810&#8364; and bank check 75&#8364;, to give 4736.9&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess Ma&#226;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him some nice job
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by adding new languages! For example, what about greek , finnish, swedish (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian announcements? Yes !! So translators,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have a look at <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be very happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; language I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; congratulate him, he likes it :&#254;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving donations.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was about to forget, as Ma&#226;t said in a previous mail, &#171; Mageia IS definetely
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The Universe, and Everything &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; DonationMageia424242.png&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; identi.ca : goom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> *cough*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and
+</I>&gt;<i> not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help
+</I>&gt;<i> but raising a question..
+</I>
+Well, I hope that you would not be too much flamed, because that's not
+exactly what I would love to see here. So if people respond, please be
+courteous :)
+
+&gt;<i> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+</I>&gt;<i> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+</I>&gt;<i> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and
+</I>&gt;<i> accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what
+</I>&gt;<i> they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not..
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+</I>&gt;<i> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+</I>&gt;<i> such as Mandriva..?
+</I>
+You are right, but I think that people who give have faith in the
+project. And while I am biased, I think they are right.
+
+I also think people are able to decide by themselves who to trust, we
+didn't do a big campaign &quot;give us money or we will die&quot; style, and we
+were the first one to be astonished by the overwhelming reaction of the
+community following us. In fact, and as I said in the past, this stress
+me a little to see how much hope people put in us to organize
+everything. I feel lot of pressure to do everything right from the start
+on my part.
+
+I could perfectly understand that people would wait to give anything,
+and in fact, I hope that I am not the only one to think like that ( but
+thanks god, it seems that I am not ).
+
+But if anybody has any questions, the previous week have show that we
+will answer to them. Maybe we could have done like the LibreOffice fork,
+preparing everything and then announce, but we decided to be transparent
+as soon as possible, even if this make us look like vaporware in the
+first day.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 30 september 2010 01:00:50 schreef Per &#216;yvind Karlsen:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello there !!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; limited. Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to mageia project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; paypal, i sent paypal many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and yesterday we were pleased to know that our paypal account was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; verified so no more limitation, we can overtake the limit of 2000&#8364;, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is overtaken.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; each donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79&#8364; but commission
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; removed the donations are 2851.9&#8364;, a bit more than 4% of commission
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (well the real commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; amount). Donations using paypal are ranging from 3 to 500&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bank transfert allows to get 1810&#8364; and bank check 75&#8364;, to give 4736.9&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#226;t, who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some nice job by adding new languages! For example, what about greek ,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; finnish, swedish (or norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; announcements? Yes !! So translators, have a look at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Ma&#226;t will be very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another language
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Ma&#226;t you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; congratulate him, he likes it :&#254;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; donations.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was about to forget, as Ma&#226;t said in a previous mail, &#171; Mageia IS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; definetely the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Life, The Universe, and Everything &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everythin">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everythin</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; g#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; .2842.29&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; DonationMageia424242.png&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Linux <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; identi.ca : goom
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *cough*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and
+</I>&gt;<i> not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help
+</I>&gt;<i> but raising a question..
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+</I>&gt;<i> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+</I>&gt;<i> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and
+</I>&gt;<i> accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what
+</I>&gt;<i> they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not..
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+</I>&gt;<i> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+</I>&gt;<i> such as Mandriva..?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Although commenting on this with irony in tone, I really must say that
+</I>&gt;<i> what seems to me as a general lack of knowledge, information and
+</I>&gt;<i> involvement of people in discussions around much of this gives a less
+</I>&gt;<i> assuring impression, leaving me wonder a lot about what all of the
+</I>&gt;<i> work on this the previous months might've been, what discussions that
+</I>&gt;<i> might currently take place, whether you've already decided on final
+</I>&gt;<i> details, are about to decide on, or are planning on putting together a
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal for commmunity discussion, feedback and consensus to worked
+</I>&gt;<i> out around..?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, my bias is given, my devious motives being probably any evil
+</I>&gt;<i> thing you could imagine and all, far to easy detecting way already and
+</I>&gt;<i> then some before first, earlier, afterwards,
+</I>&gt;<i> pastpresentfuturebeforeandall, but I think you should make sure to not
+</I>&gt;<i> fall short of coming off as actually better on these things than the
+</I>&gt;<i> company you want to distanse you from..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having either these details in place before announcing the project, or
+</I>&gt;<i> announcing the project with an invitation to participate in defining
+</I>&gt;<i> it would seem more sensible to me, you might just find yourself in a
+</I>&gt;<i> bad situation with people easily becoming aggitated and easily upset,
+</I>&gt;<i> especially when there's money involved, demands greater, more pressure
+</I>&gt;<i> put on you living up to different and perhaps conflicting
+</I>&gt;<i> expectations..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh well, just some mostly constructive critic, or perhaps plain ol'
+</I>&gt;<i> nagging, and some petty words of caution, hoping to see some of this
+</I>&gt;<i> answered, accepting the scepticism and hopefully showing yourself able
+</I>&gt;<i> to address it and also ultimately publishing some really neat goals
+</I>&gt;<i> easy to relate to, and cool plans that could be of interest to all of
+</I>&gt;<i> us. \o/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best of luck and always remember that shoving is the answer, shoving
+</I>&gt;<i> will protect you! ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Hugz&amp;kizzez&lt;3
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>
+
+imo; i think the major point all of us want to have and agree on is to have
+more community input in the distribution.
+
+and iirc, donation button and the like was suggested by people in the
+community themselves.
+
+otoh, i can understand you need funding to get started as well.
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 rom1dep &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rom1dep at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de rom1dep
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Envoy&#233; : 29 septembre 2010 08:44
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#192; : Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I find this one pretty cool, maybe the colors need to be reworked a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; little but this proposal is modern, attractive, nice work !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi rom1dep,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wich one? You didn't provide the link. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm speaking about
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A> , just
+</I>&gt;<i> like if I was posting at the bottom of a ML-thread ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+yes, im working on the rework of the logo
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+<PRE> On 09/29/2010 07:36 PM, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es</A>&gt;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cancelar &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I created some hope that some like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Logo_B = Nice :D
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+
+2010/9/29 Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">irek.gierlach at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On 09/29/2010 07:36 PM, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Escribe texto o la direcci&#243;n de un sitio web o traduce un documento &lt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es</A>&gt;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cancelar &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I created some hope that some like.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Logo_B = Nice :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be
+</I>&gt;<i> in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>
+Bonjour Damien:
+
+I can help with the English and/or French blog.
+
+
+BTW ... wouldn't this be better if you set this up on the Wiki, just
+like the other options to sign-up, and divided up by locales? You would
+then get new people who visit the Wiki, there to signup for the Mageia
+project, a chance to signup for the Blog signup too?
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 28 September 2010 22:06:39 Adrian Marcinkowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-28 22:07, Rory Albertyn pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do not like the font you used. It makes is difficult to read the name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (especially the 'e' letter) ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like Magpid at first glance. ... Clarity is always vital in a trade
+</I>&gt;<i> name's representation so I would suggest we stick with un-ornamented fonts or
+</I>&gt;<i> at most a fairly traditional serifed pattern like Roman.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree that clarity is vital.
+I can see using a creative font, but it must be clear.
+As well the ambiguity of the E and A, the G looks a lot like Q, giving
+MAQPID.
+&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I am (as are some other users) against using a decorated 'M'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> letter as our logo. We can develop something better, more unique.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, we have too many Ms in the world; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand, a stylised M would fit well on a system
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop button, especially a Menu button.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I like the idea of the icon part containing an M, but not just an M.
+We need something much more interesting.
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bonjour Damien:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can help with the English and/or French blog.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW ... wouldn't this be better if you set this up on the Wiki, just
+</I>&gt;<i> like the other options to sign-up, and divided up by locales? You
+</I>&gt;<i> would then get new people who visit the Wiki, there to signup for the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project, a chance to signup for the Blog signup too?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>Salut Damien :
+I can also help with the FR and/or EN blog.
+And I second the idea to set this up on the wiki.
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> Ie, urpmi had to be maintained, since drakx required it ( or a full
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx rewrite had to be done )
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+At this time, drakx was still using its own package selection code, and
+not yet urpmi. This has been done only recently by Titi.
+Though, it was using perl-URPM for dependency solving.
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+
+&gt;<i> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+</I>&gt;<i> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+</I>&gt;<i> such as Mandriva..?
+</I>
+Right, the Click'n'backup degree of transparency.
+
+Please, Mageia contributors are not writing lengthy biased posts asking
+for roadmaps on cooker ML, I think it would be appreciated if Mandriva
+fanboys refrained from posting such angry posts here.
+
+If you don't agree with Mageia, fine, you're free to stick with Mandriva :)
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+Let's stay focusing on building the distro here!
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:41 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How much Mageia Foundation needs to start its operations?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not a Foundation, this is a association, which is a little bit
+</I>&gt;<i> different from a legal point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And well, I think we need to pay for the domain name
+</I>&gt;<i> ( 12 e/y ), for the trademark ( 400e ), for the disks ( no estimate yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> depend on the size and the price ), for some part of the hosting ( can
+</I>&gt;<i> be quite cheap or not, a small server for dns/smtp/etc, cost around 20
+</I>&gt;<i> to 30 euros per months ). You can also add some administrative fees
+</I>&gt;<i> ( bank account, sending letter to association members, etc ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the bare minimum is quite low. But with it, you do not do much.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With more money, well, better and more servers can be bought ( faster
+</I>&gt;<i> build, more services, spare hardware in case of problem ), developers
+</I>&gt;<i> travel and so on. For example, Opensuse have invited us to come at their
+</I>&gt;<i> conference in Nuremberg, but that's a little bit too far and expensive
+</I>&gt;<i> for me, so I guess I will have to decline.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also see how Mozilla foundation, or Wikimedia does and spend
+</I>&gt;<i> their money, but their need are far greater than ours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Usually, this is the available funds that decide what can be done, and
+</I>&gt;<i> not the reverse.
+</I>
+Well written, Michael!
+
+Such explanation makes it easier to open the purse.
+Could some text like this be linked from the donation page?
+
+Linked, so it need not be translated every time it is updated;
+
+It would be nice if it would be updated with what the money is planned to be
+used for, and have been used for so far, in the future.
+
+/Morgan
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+Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 01:00:50, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+</I>&gt;<i> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+</I>&gt;<i> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+</I>
+Well, me and probably several other people asked for a donation page the very first day when Mageia was announced, because we all want this project to succeed and want to help that also with donations. Yes, we're taking a risk but knowing the people involved I entrust them to use this money for the good of Mageia.
+
+Regards
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+<PRE>2010/9/30 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Let everyone write whatever they want to. Be open and give open answers,
+</I>&gt;<i> whoever they are, where ever they come from.
+</I>
+Yes, everybody is welcome to give his opinion. In this virtual world
+you have to judge the people by what they are writing.
+
+Per, are you really telling all those people who already donated and
+contributing to this project are somewhat retarded or dumb so that we
+read your mail and wake up, wondering what we are doing here? No, the
+money and the excitement around Mageia shows that there is a number of
+people who are believing to do the right thing.
+
+But even if nobody would believe Mageia to become a success, even if
+nobody would know the people who they are sending their money to -
+isn't the money and the commitment a clear signal that all these
+people are really unsatisfied with the way it was and want to have
+something else ?
+
+Per, I think the one who is dreaming is you. So wake up and go on with
+your life. If you want to join us,you are welcome like everybody else.
+If you don't want to join us, fine. But don't waste your and our time
+with such unnecessary pamphlets.
+
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would be interested to translate in french and do moderation :-)
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+<PRE>I'm voluntary to translate everything in Romanian.
+So, where do I sign?
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
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+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at damsweb.net</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 19:05:17
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+Hello boys and girls,
+
+As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+
+What is the role of the Blog Team?
+- Manage blogs ;
+- Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+- Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team and the
+other related teams) ;
+- Translate content from the EN blog ;
+- Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+- Inform the project and needed people about important comments or remarks in
+the threads of a blog ;
+
+I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the process to
+follow for each tasks asked.
+
+For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by default).
+If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread to
+ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in charge
+of it!
+
+To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+So, let's go to apply. :-)
+-- Damien Lallement
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+&gt;<i> Den 2010-09-30 00:24:59 skrev Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:41 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; How much Mageia Foundation needs to start its operations?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is not a Foundation, this is a association, which is a little bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different from a legal point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And well, I think we need to pay for the domain name
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( 12 e/y ), for the trademark ( 400e ), for the disks ( no estimate yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; depend on the size and the price ), for some part of the hosting ( can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be quite cheap or not, a small server for dns/smtp/etc, cost around 20
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to 30 euros per months ). You can also add some administrative fees
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( bank account, sending letter to association members, etc ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So the bare minimum is quite low. But with it, you do not do much.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; With more money, well, better and more servers can be bought ( faster
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; build, more services, spare hardware in case of problem ), developers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; travel and so on. For example, Opensuse have invited us to come at their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; conference in Nuremberg, but that's a little bit too far and expensive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for me, so I guess I will have to decline.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can also see how Mozilla foundation, or Wikimedia does and spend
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their money, but their need are far greater than ours.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Usually, this is the available funds that decide what can be done, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not the reverse.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well written, Michael!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Such explanation makes it easier to open the purse.
+</I>&gt;<i> Could some text like this be linked from the donation page?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Linked, so it need not be translated every time it is updated;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be nice if it would be updated with what the money is planned to be
+</I>&gt;<i> used for, and have been used for so far, in the future.
+</I>
+That's the plan , explain each month what were spent. I hope not a full
+blown report, because this would put too much work on the poor soul in
+charge of this. But I guess a blog post for this would be ok .
+
+So far, no money of donation have been spent at all, everything was paid
+out of our pocket ( in fact, I fear mainly out of Romain pocket ).
+Romain used his gandi account for the DNS, so I assume he paid it too,
+and IIRC, he did the various papers for protecting the trademark ( not
+so expensive in the long run, but you pay one time for 10 years afaik ).
+I think that some very basic tshirts have been made too for Open World
+Forum today, I guess this would be for one time 50 euros spending.
+
+If I take a look at the spending of AUFML or other associations, you
+would also count &quot;printing papers&quot; and &quot;printing posters&quot;, even if
+papers are usually printed at work by members. And for a linux
+distribution, money could be spent on cd and sending them ( personally,
+I do not like this from a ecological point of view, but well ).
+
+Right now, Anne, Romain, Damien and others are at the open world forum
+in Paris, so if you are in Paris, you can ask them, and if you have the
+chance of living elsewhere, you will have to wait if you have more
+questions.
+
+--
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+
+i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project fork
+after oracle and sun ...
+
+is about Mariadb instead of mysql
+
+libreoffice instead of OOO
+
+for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk
+
+what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use in ?
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:32 +0200, Tonton a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project
+</I>&gt;<i> fork after oracle and sun ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is about Mariadb instead of mysql
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> libreoffice instead of OOO
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use
+</I>&gt;<i> in ?
+</I>
+I am sorry, but I do not understand the questions, so maybe I answered
+wrongly.
+
+For the moment, the plan is to take Mandriva packages.
+
+Afaik, libreoffice is not ready yet, as indicated by Graham, and as
+tested by Funda on cooker@ ml.
+
+Mariadb is not packaged yet, but if someone does the job, I see no
+reason to not use it.
+
+Openjdk is already what is used on the free version since a long time.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+<PRE>Dear all,
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+Here's the Romanian translation for the first page of mageia.org
+
+You can also add my name on that list:
+Florin C&#259;t&#259;lin RUSSEN (Piratu) - Romanian Translation Team coordinator
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+Best regards,
+Florin
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+2010/9/30 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:32 +0200, Tonton a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fork after oracle and sun ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is about &#160;Mariadb instead of mysql
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libreoffice instead of OOO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am sorry, but I do not understand the questions, so maybe I answered
+</I>&gt;<i> wrongly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the plan is to take Mandriva packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Afaik, libreoffice is not ready yet, as indicated by Graham, and as
+</I>&gt;<i> tested by Funda on cooker@ ml.
+</I>
+As was mentioned on the germanspeaking OOo-list, LibreOffice is based on the
+codeline for the next OOo version (which will be 3.3). That's why they
+have already a &quot;Beta&quot; version.
+
+If you need a stable version to use, you should stick at the moment to
+OOo 3.2.1.
+
+Sigrid
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+<PRE>Andr&#233; e Felipe,
+
+I can also help with translation.
+
+MacXi
+
+Em Qua 29 Set 2010, &#224;s 17:58:55, Filipe Saraiva escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hello Andr&#233;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can do this work together, since it does not have much time available.
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em 29 de setembro de 2010 17:54, Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;escreveu:
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at ...</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; So, let's go to apply.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; college, I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do small translations.
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/</A>
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+&gt;<i> I like the idea of the icon part containing an M, but not just an M.
+</I>&gt;<i> We need something much more interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>How about a capital M in a bamboo type font but using white tipped black magic
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+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001651.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001653.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001672.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001662.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001669.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001671.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001652.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001646.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001659.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001654.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia.org first page Romanian translation
+</A><A NAME="1668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001644.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001665.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001667.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001666.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001650.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001649.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001661.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Douglas Ward
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001670.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001660.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:49 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>30 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 00:02:01 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 33<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001644.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Douglas Ward
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001646.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001649.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001650.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001651.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001652.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001653.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001654.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001659.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001660.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001662.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001661.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001665.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001666.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001667.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia.org first page Romanian translation
+</A><A NAME="1668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001669.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001670.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001671.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001672.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:49 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>30 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 00:02:01 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 33<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Douglas Ward
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001654.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001670.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001671.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001644.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001646.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001649.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001659.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001660.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001662.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001661.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001665.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001651.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001652.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001653.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001672.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia.org first page Romanian translation
+</A><A NAME="1668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001650.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001666.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001667.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001669.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>30 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 00:02:01 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 33<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285797721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285797721-01285798077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285798066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285798066-01285803127- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001650.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285799099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001644.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285799099-01285831209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001659.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285799099-01285831209-01285838543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001665.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285800799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Douglas Ward
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285801250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001646.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285801250-01285802155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285801250-01285802210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001649.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285801250-01285829939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285801250-01285829939-01285831443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001660.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285801250-01285829939-01285831443-01285833063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001662.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285802061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285803378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001651.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285803378-01285804125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001652.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285803378-01285804125-01285805410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001653.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285803378-01285865999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001672.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285812246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001654.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285812246-01285823608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285812246-01285823608-01285834630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285818938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285818938-01285868683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285825156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285833111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001661.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285834936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285842737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001666.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285842737-01285843472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001667.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285842737-01285843472-01285850349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001669.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285846877- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia.org first page Romanian translation
+</A><A NAME="1668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285853713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001670.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285853713-01285858500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001671.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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