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Though I am not by any means a command line junkie I will always +</I>><i> use +</I>><i> uprmi when I know exactly what I want. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So it is synaptic/apt and rpmdrake/urpmi. No doubt yum has a GUI +</I>><i> counterpart +</I>><i> too. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > emerge and macports are source-based "packet" managers. +</I>><i> > As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can +</I>><i> decide +</I>><i> > to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their +</I>><i> > dependencies. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what +</I>><i> should +</I>><i> > be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies. +</I>><i> > You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the +</I>><i> > spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don't +</I>><i> > require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is +</I>><i> > available) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> Right, I have done this with a custom ffmpeg build. Compile time dependency +</I>><i> control is, of course, a grace and favour benefit provided by the program +</I>><i> author. I get the impression that a packager can introduce depencies when +</I>><i> special support is needed for extra features he may choose to include. This +</I>><i> seems to be what happened with the 2010.1 issue of the foobillard rpm where +</I>><i> a +</I>><i> new dependency on Pulse has been created which does not exist in the 2010.0 +</I>><i> package or the author's source. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as "this package cannot +</I>><i> > work without those". +</I>><i> > You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long +</I>><i> > recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested +</I>><i> > packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential). +</I>><i> > Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb) +</I>><i> with +</I>><i> > the suggested packages. +</I>><i> > Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will +</I>><i> by +</I>><i> > default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no- +</I>><i> > suggests option to avoid this. +</I>><i> Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which "depend" on Pulse and +</I>><i> re-package them such that Pulse is only "recommended"? If so then I will +</I>><i> have +</I>><i> to find the way to set the --no-suggests option in rpmdrake. I hadn't even +</I>><i> looked for it before as I have only recently started to discover problems +</I>><i> in +</I>><i> Mandriva packages. +</I>><i> > On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a +</I>><i> > suggestion, it won't trigger the uninstallation of the package that +</I>><i> > suggested it. +</I>><i> Something similar seems to apply to packages which I inadvertently "mark" +</I>><i> as +</I>><i> manually installed. urpme reports that such packages will be excluded from +</I>><i> orphan detection. I love the --auto-orphans switch. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Richard +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100928/1234722a/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1524">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1524">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1524">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1524">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |