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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110613/b1599667/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110613/b1599667/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9253f8540 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110613/b1599667/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">>There is a limited set of options, and as you can see, none of your >idea was not already explored by someone else.</span><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">It has all been done before, in that sense let's just close up shop and call it a day???</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; + "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">>If everything move all days, you cannot :<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>- translate software ( as the string will change every day )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>- create documentation ( for the same reason )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>- communicate ( as everything ca be broken at any time )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>- ensure stability ( as each change can bring unstability )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; + outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; "><br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>And for user, some do not want to redo training every week for >their<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>users, because libreoffice got updated, because ff 4 just arrived >and<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>75% of extensions do not work, etc. <br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">><br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>In fact, the whole release model is basically what is used all >over the<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; + ">>place, from lower level like kernel to higher level like kde. So >you can<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>get lots of feedback on it.</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">You are correct on the release model being used everywhere, that fit's development and really there is no other way to do it as it takes time. But really, up stream does have to take time but package maintainers can pull things in pretty fast and make things work.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: + 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">I don't understand what's being said here? Are we a community of users or are we just teachers teaching a class? Help with changes is what forums and people are for. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">You worried about not being able to keep up with documentation? I suggest you take a look at the Arch wiki, best Linux wiki there is and things change fast... Again, community...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: + 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">>So basically, you suggest that since everybody is already doing >it, this is useless. So the logical conclusion is we should drop >the distribution ?</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">No that is not what I'm saying! </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span + class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">What I am saying is that you have 100+/- distributions all going by a release model and only a handful making rolling releases. There is only one defacto maker of a rolling release and that is Arch, why does this have to be? (Yes I know there are others but Arch is the leader of the pack)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">>We have the same thing, this is the strength of free software. We<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>basically all work together.</span></font></div><div><font + class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">It truly is redundant to do what everyone else is doing just because....</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">>like cauldron ? or debian unstable, fedora rawhide, opensuse >factory,</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">mandriva cooker ?</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" + face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Sure, there has to be an unstable branch whether rolling or not...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">>like debian testing ( and CUT ) ? suse tumbleweed ? arch linux</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" + face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Nope, gotta call you on this... Debian testing rolls with the purpose of becoming a release... Therefore things can grow outdated rather quickly. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Suse tumblweed IS NOT going to be a true rolling release! It is going to "tumble up" to the next release hence the name.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: + 16px;">This cannot be compared to Arch either as Arch has a set of rules as well and rolls into stable...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">>Very stable for a distribution mean "that do not change". That's<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">>incompatible with the idea of rolling per definition. And inorder >to have stable software, you have to freeze them and fix bugs. So >to have that on the whole distribution, you need to freeze the >whole distribution for a time, and then ask for test, fix bugs >and then release. Which is + exactly what we currently do since >years.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Sorry, your wrong! I have been using Arch for years and have yet to meet a show stopper bug, it is very stable. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Stability simply means tested! It does not have to be like Debian testing that grows stale with time, you can remain very very close to bleeding edge and still remain + stable...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">>So basically, you just reinvented the concept of release, and the >way Mandriva, Debian, Fedora work since years. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">And I must have peed in your cheerios... I am all for giving people what they want, I also don't think you have to follow the status quo to do so... We + don't have to be "just another distribution doing the same things the others are doing"... Sorry, but this is what I see....</span></font></div></td></tr></table>
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