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| author | Anne Nicolas <ennael@mageia.org> | 2012-05-30 14:06:59 +0000 |
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diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-15 1023.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-15 1023.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6881a74 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-15 1023.eml @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com>
+Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:23:37 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
+User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4
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+To: board-private@ml.mageia.org
+Subject: Another mail from Mandriva
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+
+Hi there
+
+Here is a second mail from Mr.Crozet we just received:
+
+In response to my email that day, I inform you that the Supervisory
+Board adopted the principle of moving the development of the
+distribution to an external entity to Mandriva SA. The legal form,
+location and other details have not yet been addressed but should be
+within a few weeks.
+
+In this context, I wish to associate, to the extent that you are
+interested in a working group. It will be responsible for defining the
+structure, function and manner of such entity. I expect a participation
+as large as possible of the Mandriva Linux "ecosystem" (I do not like
+that label), namely representatives of addition of Mandriva SA, Rosa,
+Unity Linux, and some of the emblematic figures of French free software.
+
+Can you tell me quickly if you are interested in participating in this
+working group?
+
+Feel free to call me to discuss.
+---------------------------------------------
+
+So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally)
+think about this:
+- Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our
+own governance model and what is proposed here would change it
+- Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it
+- Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in
+ecosystem but it will not change our principles
+
+WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2236.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2236.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..7833144 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2236.eml @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com>
+Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:36:19 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+To: board-private@ml.mageia.org
+Subject: News from Mandriva
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+
+Hi there
+
+rda and I received a mail today from Mr Crozet COO of Mandriva:
+
+Le Conseil de Surveillance de Mandriva SA a validé ma recommandation ce
+jour et entérine le choix de Mageia comme base pour notre produit
+business server.
+
+Pouvons-nous nous joindre par téléphone ou en personne prochainement
+pour régler cette collaboration? Je souhaite pouvoir annoncer cette
+bonne nouvelle dès que possible avant de mettre mes équipes au travail.
+
+which is
+
+the Supervisory Board of Mandriva SA has approved my recommendation that
+day and endorses the choice of Mageia as the basis for our business
+server product.
+
+We can reach us by phone or in person soon to resolve this
+collaboration? I want to announce this good news as soon as possible
+before putting my team at work.
+
+-------------------
+
+This is only about Mandriva server product. So it means Mandriva will be
+part of Mageia ecosystem. They may contribute to Mageia in one way or
+another, this still has to be fixed. We will call Mr Crozet to go on all
+this.
+
+Please keep all this private for now, official communication should be
+done very soon.
+
+Cheers
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-19 2027.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-19 2027.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b9511aa --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-19 2027.eml @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com>
+Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:27:40 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+
+Hi there
+
+Here is a draft for council people (not using ML but mailing everybody).
+Comment? This should be sent tonight so that we have time to work on
+this properly
+
+Cheers
+
+--------------------
+
+Hi everyone,
+
+I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following
+last discussions with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset.
+
+=================
+
+so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to
+get a status.
+
+He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18)
+http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/.
+So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's
+position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among
+which Peroyvind (see
+https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he
+doesn't have the full story it seems).
+
+He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia
+as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back.
+Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will
+get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.
+
+He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming
+days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its
+Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its
+foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes
+goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does
+mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on
+our side too.
+
+So, here's a suggested plan:
+
+ * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning
+(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news:
+ - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation
+project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),
+ - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech
+platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back.
+ - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not
+so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on
+Mageia".
+
+ * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to
+propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) -
+interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and
+this release news will hide partially the previous news.
+
+===================
+
+It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will
+make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told
+about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and
+organization which are now working quite well.
+
+So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain
+it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement
+is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of
+its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content.
+
+So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published
+on monday morning:
+https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
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+From: "Romain d'Alverny" <rdalverny@gmail.com>
+Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:33:19 +0200
+Message-ID: <CANa9xwu63Fe6fHwF5_aZF_Tfi6JLe67mUiibVs6uDScLrW4=rw@mail.gmail.com>
+To: Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com>
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+On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Oliver Burger
+<oliver.bgr@googlemail.com> wrote:
+> Am 15.05.2012 10:23, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>
+>>
+>> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally)
+>> think about this:
+>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our
+>> own governance model and what is proposed here would change it
+>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it
+>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in
+>> ecosystem but it will not change our principles
+>>
+>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow
+>>
+> Fully agreed.
+> - We should not accept any changes in our organizational structure on behalf
+> of anyone except ourselves!
+> - We should never give up our independence. The prize to the project would
+> be too high.
+>
+> So if Mdv should insist on us changing anything, they can go along without
+> us.
+
+Beware. What's proposed is slightly different: they're not proposing
+to change Mageia, but for Mageia representatives to join their
+workgroup for a foundation (and the said foundation afterwise).
+
+So it's more a matter of staying apart from their project with a clear
+rationale, than changing Mageia at all:
+ - if we were to join their foundation, that probably wouldn't change
+at all Mageia governance; only weaken its mission and blur the line,
+because merging its participation into a separate, parent entity;
+ - if we were not to deal with their plan here, this would print
+Mageia difference some more (because we'll need to explain we wouldn't
+join them).
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+From: "Romain d'Alverny" <rdalverny@gmail.com>
+Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:37:58 +0200
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+On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny@gmail.com> wr=
+ote:
+> Beware. What's proposed is slightly different: they're not proposing
+> to change Mageia, but for Mageia representatives to join their
+> workgroup for a foundation (and the said foundation afterwise).
+>
+> So it's more a matter of staying apart from their project with a clear
+> rationale, than changing Mageia at all:
+> =A0- if we were to join their foundation, that probably wouldn't change
+> at all Mageia governance; only weaken its mission and blur the line,
+> because merging its participation into a separate, parent entity;
+> =A0- if we were not to deal with their plan here, this would print
+> Mageia difference some more (because we'll need to explain we wouldn't
+> join them).
+
+And, I must add, I don't think we should join their foundation
+project, for the following reasons:
+ - Mageia, as a structure, seems much better to us as an independant,
+inclusive project (to both people and organizations), than something
+that seems likely to be under a corporate umbrella;
+ - we invested a lot in building Mageia governance already;
+ - we don't have the resources to invest into a new equivalent,
+duplicate project, because we focus on something else now;
+
+Besides, I'm not sure their strategy is very strong (unless they have
+enough funding fort 2/3 years to see things coming) when they invest
+on Mageia by using its technology, and invest in a separate, somewhat
+concurrent community project. Focus of time and resources is usually
+101. Or I am missing something.
+
+But that doesn't prevent to wish them welcome and good luck.
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+From: "Romain d'Alverny" <rdalverny@gmail.com>
+Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:20:02 +0200
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+Subject: Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva
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+Here's a copy of the answer sent to JM Croset a few minutes ago.
+Translation first, original below.
+
+Dear Jean-Manuel,
+
+thank you very much for this information and this invitation.
+
+Without regret or disdain, after discussion with other board members,
+I can tell you that we are not interested in joining this workgroup.
+
+- Mageia would have been the ideal collaboration hub for such an
+entity, to join and grow, precisely to play such a role; but it did
+not happen, probably because our governance rules don't fit
+[Mandriva's] Supervisory Board; so be it. We will not walk another
+road, this very governance has been defined as it is for very specific
+reasons.
+
+- we spent a lot of time, energy, conversations, to define Mageia on
+several levels. And we went on producing stuff, and regularly put
+things back to work.
+
+- we don't have much information about trends behind the future
+entity, what are the goals of each of the potential participants. Ours
+are public and clear since day 1.
+
+- we don't have the means (neither the wish) to disperse further our
+(small) means on a new thing to define and build, we think our
+priorities are elsewhere at this point.
+
+- this won't prevent each of us to collaborate, since our tools and
+technos will be Free Software.
+
+
+Feel free to share the above reasons, they will be the same if we are
+asked why we chose not to participate.
+
+And we wish you good luck, and temper, for this endeavour.
+
+----
+
+Cher Jean-Manuel,
+
+merci beaucoup de votre invitation et de cette information.
+
+Sans regret ni d=E9dain, apr=E8s discussion et m=FBre r=E9flexion avec les
+membres du bureau, je peux vous informer que nous ne sommes pas
+int=E9ress=E9s =E0 participer =E0 ce groupe de travail.
+
+ - Mageia nous aurait sembl=E9, a priori, id=E9al, comme hub de
+collaboration =E0 investir et grossir, pour remplir pr=E9cis=E9ment le r=F4=
+le
+d'une telle entit=E9 ; mais cela n'a pas eu lieu, probablement parce que
+le mode de gouvernance (point cl=E9 s'il en est) ne convient pas au
+Conseil de Surveillance ; dont acte. Nous ne nous engagerons pas sur
+une autre voie, cette gouvernance a =E9t=E9 d=E9finie pour des raisons tr=
+=E8s
+pr=E9cises.
+
+ - nous avons investi beaucoup de temps, d'=E9nergie, de discussions, =E0
+d=E9finir Mageia, sur plusieurs plans. Et puis nous sommes pass=E9s =E0
+l'=E9tape de production, et remettons r=E9guli=E8rement les choses =E0 plat=
+.
+
+ - nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'information sur les tendances qui se
+dessinent derri=E8re cette future entit=E9, quels sont les objectifs et
+les buts des uns et des autres. Les n=F4tres sont clairs et publics
+depuis le 1er jour.
+
+ - nous n'avons donc pas les moyens (ni le souhait) de disperser
+davantage nos (encore faibles) moyens sur une nouvelle entit=E9 =E0
+d=E9finir et construire, car nous pensons que nos priorit=E9s sont
+ailleurs =E0 ce stade.
+
+ - cela n'emp=EAchera pas, =E0 l'avenir, de collaborer sur le plan
+technique, puisque nos outils et technos respectives seront libres.
+
+Voil=E0. Sentez-vous libre de transmettre ces raisons, elles seront au
+c=9Cur de nos r=E9ponses si l'on nous pose la question de notre
+non-participation =E0 votre initiative.
+
+Et nous vous souhaitons bonne chance, et de l'=E9nergie, pour cette entrepr=
+ise.
+
+Bien cordialement,
+
+Romain d'Alverny
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-15 1032.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-15 1032.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..10791cb --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-15 1032.eml @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB214A0.2070902@gmail.com>
+Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:32:32 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Le 15/05/2012 10:29, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> Am 15.05.2012 10:23, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>>
+>> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally)
+>> think about this:
+>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our
+>> own governance model and what is proposed here would change it
+>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it
+>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in
+>> ecosystem but it will not change our principles
+>>
+>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow
+>>
+> Fully agreed.
+> - We should not accept any changes in our organizational structure on
+> behalf of anyone except ourselves!
+> - We should never give up our independence. The prize to the project
+> would be too high.
+>
+> So if Mdv should insist on us changing anything, they can go along
+> without us.er
+
+Just to be more precise on all this, There are 2 projects from Mandriva:
+
+- server product which will be managed in FRance by Mr Crozet mainly
+- desktop community which is mainly needed by russian investors.
+
+While first point is quite clear, second is not. At least it does not
+fit our governance.
+
+But for both of course, we will recall Mr Crozet about independance and
+governance
+
+>
+> Oliver
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
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+Le 15/05/2012 12:50, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> Am 15.05.2012 12:43, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+>> On Tue, 15 May 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+>>
+>>>
+>>> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally)
+>>> think
+>>> about this:
+>>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined
+>>> our own
+>>> governance model and what is proposed here would change it
+>>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it
+>>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in
+>>> ecosystem
+>>> but it will not change our principles
+>>>
+>>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow
+>>
+>> It looks like something to bring Mageia community back to Mandriva.
+>>
+>> I also agree we should not join this :
+>> - it's not clear what this entity will be doing and why it is needed
+>> - the Mageia.org governance model is good, we don't need an other entity
+>> - it's free software so we can already share code with other
+>> distributions if needed, without joining a new entity
+>> - joining this would confuse people about independance of Mageia
+>>
+>> So I think we have nothing to gain by joining, and a lot we can lose.
+>>
+> One hundred percent d'accord.
+
+In fact, I entirely agree with Anne, Oliver, Nicolas and Romain.
+I know, easy...
+For me, this "work group" is a trap for us! So we should not join it.
+We must keep in mind what Mageia.Org is and why Mageia.Org is! And make
+Mandriva understand that our governance model is based on this history
+and protects us. We don't need Mandriva, it's Mandriva who need us. They
+must digest this fact!
+
+--
+Damien Lallement
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin
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+Am 15.05.2012 10:23, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>
+> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally)
+> think about this:
+> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our
+> own governance model and what is proposed here would change it
+> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it
+> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in
+> ecosystem but it will not change our principles
+>
+> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow
+>
+Fully agreed.
+- We should not accept any changes in our organizational structure on
+behalf of anyone except ourselves!
+- We should never give up our independence. The prize to the project
+would be too high.
+
+So if Mdv should insist on us changing anything, they can go along
+without us.
+
+Oliver
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+Am 15.05.2012 12:43, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+> On Tue, 15 May 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+>
+>>
+>> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally) think
+>> about this:
+>> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our own
+>> governance model and what is proposed here would change it
+>> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it
+>> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in ecosystem
+>> but it will not change our principles
+>>
+>> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow
+>
+> It looks like something to bring Mageia community back to Mandriva.
+>
+> I also agree we should not join this :
+> - it's not clear what this entity will be doing and why it is needed
+> - the Mageia.org governance model is good, we don't need an other entity
+> - it's free software so we can already share code with other
+> distributions if needed, without joining a new entity
+> - joining this would confuse people about independance of Mageia
+>
+> So I think we have nothing to gain by joining, and a lot we can lose.
+>
+One hundred percent d'accord.
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
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+From: nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org>
+To: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
+Cc: board-private@ml.mageia.org
+Subject: Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva
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+On Tue, 15 May 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+
+>
+> So we have to answer quite quickly and together. What I (personally) think
+> about this:
+> - Mageia should not join that work group because we do have defined our own
+> governance model and what is proposed here would change it
+> - Mageia is an independant project and must stay as it
+> - Having a clear position now will show we are ok to have mdv in ecosystem
+> but it will not change our principles
+>
+> WDYT ? Mdv official announcement is planned for tomorrow
+
+It looks like something to bring Mageia community back to Mandriva.
+
+I also agree we should not join this :
+- it's not clear what this entity will be doing and why it is needed
+- the Mageia.org governance model is good, we don't need an other entity
+- it's free software so we can already share code with other
+ distributions if needed, without joining a new entity
+- joining this would confuse people about independance of Mageia
+
+So I think we have nothing to gain by joining, and a lot we can lose.
+
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+Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:48:39 +0200
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+On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM, nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org> wrote:
+> Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special
+> for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is
+> independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the
+> announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ?
+
+Yes, however I think we should not insist on the possible
+misunderstandings in our communication/discussion, but focus on the
+good parts, questions will come afterwise (and that's good too):
+
+ - it's great, for everyone, because Mageia is a strong platform;
+Mandriva will benefit from it for their server product; and Mageia
+will benefit from it from possible Mandriva contributions;
+ - it shows that Mageia has reached quite a milestone;
+ - it's not revolutionary (Mageia is expected to be used for
+derivative projects), but it's cool to see Mandriva acknowledge what
+we did, in some way;
+ - of course, this does not impact how the project is governed,
+because it's unrelated.
+
+If we keep on insisting at first on the potential misunderstandings,
+people will focus on that. And the core news is not about potential
+mishaps, but about a company that is using technology from a open
+source project for their own products.
+
+Of course, if people raise questions, and only then, it will be a good
+time to reassure everyone. It's better to do it in this order, because
+it will let us know what are exactly the concerns of people out there,
+instead of guessing about these.
+
+> And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them,
+> and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special
+> about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info
+> private for now.
+
+Right. The privacy of the info is because the move is on Mandriva's
+part, not ours.
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+On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:41 AM, nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org> wrote:
+> I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or
+> it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen
+> a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although
+> the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same.
+>
+> If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people
+> will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva
+> and Mageia will merge.
+
+If the very news we announce is "we're not Fedora/Redhat", people will
+associate this to us anyway (because asking immediately "why not?").
+
+What I mean is that we have to be super clear and short about what the
+news will be, from our side; and it must be a single message, so
+people can remember it for what it is (and not for what it's not).
+ - "Welcome, Mandriva, seriously"
+ - "Mandriva joins Mageia for its server product"
+ - "Mandriva uses Mageia for its server product" - we don't have a
+different name for the project and for the product (that would have
+been more clear to say that Mandriva was going to use and customize X
+as a platform for their server, while just being a contributor to
+project Y, whose governance is left unchanged).
+ - "Mageia will stay as it is, no change to governance"
+ - "A new Mageia-based/derivative corporate product on its way"
+
+Or, we can be super neutral, like saying: "cool, there's a new company
+using our technology for its products".
+
+And yes, we need to prepare the Q/A session after, but I don't think
+we should include it in the very release, if the release is short and
+clear enough.
+
+We must be especially careful, because there's a second announcement
+pending from Mandriva (and which may be announced first actually,
+tomorrow - Anne will send another mail about it), that's the
+foundation of their own Mandriva Linux community entity (likely a
+foundation, or so they say) and we will have to react to it as well
+and explain why (and this one will need to have a short as well title,
+plus a clear, limited rationale).
+
+And depending on the timing, people may confuse the two announcements
+- best for us, I believe, would be that they announce their foundation
+first.
+
+Let's not forget the bottom line of all this, that's utterly positive
+in my view:
+ - Mandriva is going to use Mageia as a technology platform;
+ - we're going to have to think, discuss and take a stance in regard
+of their foundation project.
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2244.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2244.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..10f5fa6 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2244.eml @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com>
+Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:12 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Le 14/05/2012 22:41, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> Am 14.05.2012 22:36, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>> Hi there
+>>
+>> rda and I received a mail today from Mr Crozet COO of Mandriva:
+>>
+> > [...]
+>>
+>> This is only about Mandriva server product. So it means Mandriva will be
+>> part of Mageia ecosystem. They may contribute to Mageia in one way or
+>> another, this still has to be fixed. We will call Mr Crozet to go on all
+>> this.
+>>
+>> Please keep all this private for now, official communication should be
+>> done very soon.
+>
+> Ok, I will keep it private, but I think, we will have some things to
+> discuss soon.
+>
+> Oliver
+
+Some things ?
+As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a
+contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that
+point). But yes it will be discussed longer.
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2301.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2301.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d8e1496 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2301.eml @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB172B1.5080500@gmail.com>
+Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:01:37 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Le 14/05/2012 22:59, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>>
+>> Some things ?
+>> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a
+>> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that
+>> point). But yes it will be discussed longer.
+>>
+> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any
+> other company, contributing to Mageia.
+> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce
+> it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already
+> knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer
+> questions from our community, why we kept it in private.
+> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word).
+>
+> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces
+> its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on
+> using Mageia.
+> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source
+> world does understand, we will keep our independence.
+>
+> That's something about our credibility.
+
+ok
+
+The point here is about their server product not desktop one (aka
+Mandriva community). So they will announce it very soon but of course
+this will have to be expained and communicated. Still we thought at
+least for today board would have to know about that mail. Nothing more,
+nothing less :)
+
+>
+> Oliver
+>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2309.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2309.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..57ddac7 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2309.eml @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB17497.80800@gmail.com>
+Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:09:43 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Le 14/05/2012 23:00, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
+> 14.05.2012 23:59, Oliver Burger skrev:
+>> Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>>>
+>>> Some things ?
+>>> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a
+>>> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that
+>>> point). But yes it will be discussed longer.
+>>>
+>> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any
+>> other company, contributing to Mageia.
+>> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce
+>> it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already
+>> knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer
+>> questions from our community, why we kept it in private.
+>> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word).
+>>
+>> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces
+>> its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on
+>> using Mageia.
+>> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source
+>> world does understand, we will keep our independence.
+>>
+>> That's something about our credibility.
+>>
+>
+> I agree with Oliver about this.
+
+Did we say the contrary ? :)
+
+>
+> --
+>
+> Thomas
+>
+>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2318.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2318.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..48290fc --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2318.eml @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB176B9.4090708@gmail.com>
+Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:18:49 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Le 14/05/2012 23:15, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> Am 14.05.2012 23:09, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>>
+>> Did we say the contrary ? :)
+>>
+> No, you did not. And I didn't want to say anything along those lines.
+> I just wanted us to keep it in mind, Nothing more nothing less.
+>
+> So go on, you are in Paris and you speak french which I don't. Thanks
+> for keeping us informed!
+
+Sorry if I sound rude... release time and short noghts :) but I just
+want to insure that all this will become public as soon as possible
+>
+> Cheers,
+>
+> Oliver
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2350.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2350.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..af8d1d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-14 2350.eml @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB17E16.4070800@gmail.com>
+Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:50:14 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Le 14/05/2012 23:48, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> Am 14.05.2012 23:20, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+>> Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special
+>> for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is
+>> independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the
+>> announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible
+>> misunderstandings ?
+> Good idea, I would also like to be able to answer questions. As I know
+> the chief editor of LinuxUser (print magazine, part of Linux New Media,
+> one of the biggest publishers here in Germany, I might find myself
+> interviewed by him.
+>>
+>> And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them,
+>> and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special
+>> about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info
+>> private for now.
+> Yes, completely d'accord.
+
+hey you are french fluent ! :)
+
+>
+> Oliver
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
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+Am 14.05.2012 22:36, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+> Hi there
+>
+> rda and I received a mail today from Mr Crozet COO of Mandriva:
+>
+ > [...]
+>
+> This is only about Mandriva server product. So it means Mandriva will be
+> part of Mageia ecosystem. They may contribute to Mageia in one way or
+> another, this still has to be fixed. We will call Mr Crozet to go on all
+> this.
+>
+> Please keep all this private for now, official communication should be
+> done very soon.
+
+Ok, I will keep it private, but I think, we will have some things to
+discuss soon.
+
+Oliver
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+Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>
+> Some things ?
+> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a
+> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that
+> point). But yes it will be discussed longer.
+>
+We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any
+other company, contributing to Mageia.
+But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce
+it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already
+knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer
+questions from our community, why we kept it in private.
+After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word).
+
+I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces
+its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on
+using Mageia.
+But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source
+world does understand, we will keep our independence.
+
+That's something about our credibility.
+
+Oliver
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
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+Am 14.05.2012 23:09, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>
+> Did we say the contrary ? :)
+>
+No, you did not. And I didn't want to say anything along those lines.
+I just wanted us to keep it in mind, Nothing more nothing less.
+
+So go on, you are in Paris and you speak french which I don't. Thanks
+for keeping us informed!
+
+Cheers,
+
+Oliver
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+Am 14.05.2012 23:20, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+> Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special
+> for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is
+> independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the
+> announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ?
+Good idea, I would also like to be able to answer questions. As I know
+the chief editor of LinuxUser (print magazine, part of Linux New Media,
+one of the biggest publishers here in Germany, I might find myself
+interviewed by him.
+>
+> And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them,
+> and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special
+> about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info
+> private for now.
+Yes, completely d'accord.
+
+Oliver
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+From: Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com>
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+Am 15.05.2012 00:55, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+> On Tue, 15 May 2012, nicolas vigier wrote:
+>
+>>
+>> I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or
+>> it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen
+>> a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although
+>> the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same.
+>>
+>> If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people
+>> will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva
+>> and Mageia will merge.
+>
+> Actually there is already people talking about rumors that Mandriva and
+> Mageia will join, with Mandriva being the paying distro, and Mageia the
+> community version :
+> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=17802#p17802
+>
+Yes, I know, I tried to make it clear in that forums post, that we are
+not like Fedora.
+
+So I would propose to prepare a blog post along the lines:
+"Mageia is happy to announce a newcommer to our eco system..."
+Describing what kind of cooperation there will be and what there won't be.
+And we should be prepared to answer questions on our forums, the blog
+and external news sites, making it clear that we are not like Fedora to
+RedHat.
+
+Oliver
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
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+14.05.2012 23:59, Oliver Burger skrev:
+> Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>>
+>> Some things ?
+>> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a
+>> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that
+>> point). But yes it will be discussed longer.
+>>
+> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any
+> other company, contributing to Mageia.
+> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce
+> it. Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already
+> knew about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer
+> questions from our community, why we kept it in private.
+> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word).
+>
+> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces
+> its plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on
+> using Mageia.
+> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source
+> world does understand, we will keep our independence.
+>
+> That's something about our credibility.
+>
+
+I agree with Oliver about this.
+
+--
+
+Thomas
+
+
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+On Mon, 14 May 2012, Oliver Burger wrote:
+
+> Am 14.05.2012 22:44, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+>>
+>> Some things ?
+>> As a side note we will insist on the fact that Mandriva will be a
+>> contributor like any others, no specific relation (just to remind that
+>> point). But yes it will be discussed longer.
+>>
+> We did already discuss that in council. Yes, Mandriva will be like any
+> other company, contributing to Mageia.
+> But we should have some kind of "official position", when they announce it.
+> Because I don't think, we should keep it in private, that we already knew
+> about Mandriva's plans in advance and we should be ready to answer
+> questions from our community, why we kept it in private.
+> After all, Mageia is about openness (if that is an English word).
+>
+> I don't have any objections, to keep it in private until Mdv announces its
+> plans and I see it as a big plus for us, that they did decide on using
+> Mageia.
+> But we must make certain our community and the rest of the open source
+> world does understand, we will keep our independence.
+
+Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special
+for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is
+independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the
+announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ?
+
+And reason for keeping this private is that it was requested by them,
+and as Mageia is not taking any decision or doing something special
+about this, I think there is no reason to refuse to keep this info
+private for now.
+
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+On Mon, 14 May 2012, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+
+> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM, nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org> wrote:
+> > Yes I think it should be clear that Mageia doesn't do anything special
+> > for Mandriva, which is treated like any other contributor, and is
+> > independant. Maybe we can prepare a blog post to publish after the
+> > announce from Mandriva to remind this and avoid possible misunderstandings ?
+>
+> Yes, however I think we should not insist on the possible
+> misunderstandings in our communication/discussion, but focus on the
+> good parts, questions will come afterwise (and that's good too):
+>
+> - it's great, for everyone, because Mageia is a strong platform;
+> Mandriva will benefit from it for their server product; and Mageia
+> will benefit from it from possible Mandriva contributions;
+> - it shows that Mageia has reached quite a milestone;
+> - it's not revolutionary (Mageia is expected to be used for
+> derivative projects), but it's cool to see Mandriva acknowledge what
+> we did, in some way;
+> - of course, this does not impact how the project is governed,
+> because it's unrelated.
+>
+> If we keep on insisting at first on the potential misunderstandings,
+> people will focus on that. And the core news is not about potential
+> mishaps, but about a company that is using technology from a open
+> source project for their own products.
+>
+> Of course, if people raise questions, and only then, it will be a good
+> time to reassure everyone. It's better to do it in this order, because
+> it will let us know what are exactly the concerns of people out there,
+> instead of guessing about these.
+
+I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or
+it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen
+a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although
+the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same.
+
+If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people
+will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva
+and Mageia will merge.
+
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+Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:55:13 +0200
+From: nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org>
+To: board-private@ml.mageia.org
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+On Tue, 15 May 2012, nicolas vigier wrote:
+
+>
+> I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or
+> it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen
+> a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although
+> the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same.
+>
+> If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people
+> will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva
+> and Mageia will merge.
+
+Actually there is already people talking about rumors that Mandriva and
+Mageia will join, with Mandriva being the paying distro, and Mageia the
+community version :
+https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=17802#p17802
+
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+Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:57:06 +0200
+From: nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org>
+To: Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny@gmail.com>
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+On Tue, 15 May 2012, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+
+> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:41 AM, nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org> wrote:
+> > I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or
+> > it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen
+> > a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although
+> > the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same.
+> >
+> > If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people
+> > will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva
+> > and Mageia will merge.
+>
+> If the very news we announce is "we're not Fedora/Redhat", people will
+> associate this to us anyway (because asking immediately "why not?").
+
+I never said that we should announce "we're not Fedora/Redhat" ...
+
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-19 2109.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-19 2109.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..34d9791 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-19 2109.eml @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@ +Message-ID: <4FB7F007.1010403@gmail.com>
+Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 21:09:59 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
+User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+To: board-private@ml.mageia.org
+Subject: Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people
+References: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com> <4FB7EFE2.3050704@iki.fi>
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+Le 19/05/2012 21:09, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
+> 19.05.2012 21:27, Anne Nicolas skrev:
+>>
+>> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published
+>> on monday morning:
+>> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+>>
+>
+> Nothing to object on the mail to council, but maybe already put some
+> text on the pad as they will click on it :)
+>
+> --
+> Thomas
+>
+>
+
+indeed :)
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
diff --git a/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-19 2317.eml b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-19 2317.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..41d3e43 --- /dev/null +++ b/board-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people - Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-19 2317.eml @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com
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+Subject: Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people
+From: Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com>
+To: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
+Cc: board-private@ml.mageia.org
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+ok with me.
+
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
+On 19.05.2012 21:10, "Anne Nicolas" <ennael1@gmail.com> wrote:
+
+> Le 19/05/2012 21:09, Thomas Backlund a =C3=A9crit :
+>
+>> 19.05.2012 21:27, Anne Nicolas skrev:
+>>
+>>>
+>>> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published
+>>> on monday morning:
+>>> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-**foundation<https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-=
+foundation>
+>>>
+>>>
+>> Nothing to object on the mail to council, but maybe already put some
+>> text on the pad as they will click on it :)
+>>
+>> --
+>> Thomas
+>>
+>>
+>>
+> indeed :)
+>
+> --
+> Anne
+> http://mageia.org
+>
+
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+<p>ok with me.</p>
+<p>Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca</p>
+<p>Mageia contributor</p>
+<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 19.05.2012 21:10, "Anne Nicolas" &l=
+t;<a href=3D"mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br =
+type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
+0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 19/05/2012 21:09, Thomas Backlund a =C3=A9crit :<br>
+<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
+x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+19.05.2012 21:27, Anne Nicolas skrev:<br>
+<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
+x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published<br>
+on monday morning:<br>
+<a href=3D"https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation" target=3D"_blank">https=
+://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-<u></u>foundation</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Nothing to object on the mail to council, but maybe already put some<br>
+text on the pad as they will click on it :)<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+indeed :)<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href=3D"http://mageia.org" target=3D"_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</blockquote></div>
+
+--e89a8ff2536ead016204c06a31f7--
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+From: Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny@gmail.com>
+Subject: Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people
+Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:02:13 +0200
+To: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
+
+Looks good to go.
+
+--
+Romain
+
+Le 19 mai 2012 =C3=A0 20:27, Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit :=
+
+
+> Hi there
+>=20
+> Here is a draft for council people (not using ML but mailing everybody). C=
+omment? This should be sent tonight so that we have time to work on this pro=
+perly
+>=20
+> Cheers
+>=20
+> --------------------
+>=20
+> Hi everyone,
+>=20
+> I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following la=
+st discussions with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset.
+>=20
+> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+>=20
+> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to get=
+ a status.
+>=20
+> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012=
+/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. So several discussions a=
+re popping up here and there. Mageia's
+> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among which P=
+eroyvind (see https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=3D18041#p18041 - a=
+lthough he doesn't have the full story it seems).
+>=20
+> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia a=
+s a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. Antoine=
+ Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will get in tou=
+ch with us to see how we do this technically.
+>=20
+> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming day=
+s (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its Business S=
+erver line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its foundation things) beca=
+use he realizes that... community stuff sometimes goes out of hand; but he r=
+eassured us that, whatever is said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's i=
+mportant to play it cool and neutral on our side too.
+>=20
+> So, here's a suggested plan:
+>=20
+> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning (CEST=
+) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news:
+> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation project (=
+and why, cold reasons as we gave him),
+> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech platform fo=
+r its business server line (link) and contribute back.
+> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not so si=
+mple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on Mageia".
+>=20
+> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to pro=
+pagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - interes=
+t about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and this release=
+ news will hide partially the previous news.
+>=20
+> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+>=20
+> It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will ma=
+ke things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told about Ma=
+ndriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and organizatio=
+n which are now working quite well.
+>=20
+> So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain i=
+t has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement is p=
+lanned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of its own an=
+nouncement so that we can check we all agree on the content.
+>=20
+> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published on m=
+onday morning:
+> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+>=20
+>=20
+> --=20
+> Anne
+> http://mageia.org
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+19.05.2012 21:27, Anne Nicolas skrev:
+>
+> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published
+> on monday morning:
+> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+>
+
+Nothing to object on the mail to council, but maybe already put some
+text on the pad as they will click on it :)
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+
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+From: nicolas vigier <boklm@mars-attacks.org>
+To: Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com>
+Cc: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>, board-private@ml.mageia.org
+Subject: Re: [board-private] Proposed mail for council people
+Message-ID: <20120520082323.GW21938@mars-attacks.org>
+References: <4FB7E61C.1030709@gmail.com> <4FB7EFE2.3050704@iki.fi> <4FB7F007.1010403@gmail.com> <CALK7e_M=96XQVvvrg0mOz7W3++0sVHO-Vt=tie9hqMS7mO5qFg@mail.gmail.com>
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+On Sat, 19 May 2012, Oliver Burger wrote:
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+> ok with me.
+
+Also ok with me.
+
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+Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:09:09 +0200
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+On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Oliver Burger
+<oliver.bgr@googlemail.com> wrote:
+> 2012/5/18 Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny@gmail.com>:
+>> =A0* until now, all this has been kept private in board-private: a)
+>> knowledge and decision about the foundation, and b) business server
+>> thing. Note that about a), people may question both the decision and
+>> the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will
+>> mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b),
+>> but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to
+>> Mandriva, and what the governance says. But still again. In the case
+>> of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we
+>> call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council,
+>> or from all registered contributors in LDAP).
+>
+> I'd call for a vote of confidence from Council, but as I think, our
+> arguments are logical and for the best of the project I do not expect
+> any flames in the teams.
+> Perhaps there will be some discussions in the forums, though and we
+> should react professionally and neutraly there. I know, that's partly
+> not my line of doing things, but I'll try.
+>
+> I expect the wider OpenSource community to respect our decision and
+> even applaude it. In my eyes, this shows our independence and at least
+> the people I know, (Chris Wickert from Fedora (FamsCo chair) and
+> Pascal (can't remember the surname from openSUSE and FOSDEM
+> organization) and others will see it my way.
+> So we can weather any immediate storms, trolling in our forums and Mdv
+> forums and on some blog sites, we can live with.
+>
+> So, go ahead!
+>
+> Oliver
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+
+On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny@gmail.com> wrote:
+> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Oliver Burger
+> <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com> wrote:
+>> I'd call for a vote of confidence from Council, but as I think, our
+>> arguments are logical and for the best of the project I do not expect
+>> any flames in the teams.
+>
+> Me neither. The vote of confidence is just an option to raise, in case
+> things go bad (board's decision challenged within the team), to
+> demonstrate that the decision has, or has not, the clear backing of
+> most of the people working on Mageia. But we're not there.
+>
+>> So we can weather any immediate storms, trolling in our forums and Mdv
+>> forums and on some blog sites, we can live with.
+>
+> Yes. And we a carefully written announce, that should do it I hope.
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+18.05.2012 12:52, Romain d'Alverny skrev:
+> Hi everyone,
+>
+> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to
+> get a status.
+>
+> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18)
+> http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/
+> . So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's
+> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among
+> which Peroyvind (see
+> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although
+> he doesn't have the full story it seems).
+>
+
+That has never stopped POK to fill out the blanks...
+
+> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use
+> Mageia as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute
+> back. Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business
+> server) will get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.
+>
+
+Shouldn't be a problem.
+
+> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming
+> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its
+> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its
+> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff
+> sometimes goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is
+> said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it
+> cool and neutral on our side too.
+
+
+Well, I still consider the so callen Mandriva foundation a "paper
+launch" so I dont see much problem with it...
+
+The "counter-weight" to Mageia not following Mdv foundation plans is
+that mdv actually trust current Mageia.org and its structure more
+than building on any current mdv based stuff so it means they think
+we already have a strong functioning org and so on...
+
+
+>
+> So, here's a suggested plan:
+>
+> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning
+> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related
+> news:
+> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation
+> project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),
+> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech
+> platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back.
+> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not
+> so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on
+> Mageia".
+>
+
+Yep.
+
+> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days
+> to propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday
+> evening) - interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the
+> previous days, and this release news will hide partially the previous
+> news.
+>
+
+Yep. any news is good news :)
+
+> * until now, all this has been kept private in board-private: a)
+> knowledge and decision about the foundation, and b) business server
+> thing. Note that about a), people may question both the decision and
+> the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will
+> mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b),
+> but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to
+> Mandriva, and what the governance says.
+
+Yep, we have that power to decide in cases like this.
+And yes, it's better Council members gets fact from us before stuff hits
+the blogs.
+
+> But still again. In the case
+> of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we
+> call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council,
+> or from all registered contributors in LDAP).
+>
+
+If really needed / requested yes.
+But I dont think we will have problems.
+
+> Sorry to make this quick, but we need to approve/reject/amend on this
+> before tomorrow Saturday (even better, this evening) so we can discuss
+> this with Council members in private too before Monday morning.
+> .
+
+I'm ok with it
+
+--
+Thomas
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+On Fri, 18 May 2012, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+
+> Hi everyone,
+>
+> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to
+> get a status.
+>
+> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18)
+> http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/
+> . So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's
+> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among
+> which Peroyvind (see
+> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although
+> he doesn't have the full story it seems).
+>
+> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use
+> Mageia as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute
+> back. Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business
+> server) will get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.
+>
+> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming
+> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its
+> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its
+> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff
+> sometimes goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is
+> said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it
+> cool and neutral on our side too.
+>
+> So, here's a suggested plan:
+>
+> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning
+> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related
+> news:
+> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation
+> project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),
+> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech
+> platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back.
+> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not
+> so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on
+> Mageia".
+>
+> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days
+> to propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday
+> evening) - interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the
+> previous days, and this release news will hide partially the previous
+> news.
+>
+> * until now, all this has been kept private in board-private: a)
+> knowledge and decision about the foundation, and b) business server
+> thing. Note that about a), people may question both the decision and
+> the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will
+> mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b),
+> but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to
+> Mandriva, and what the governance says. But still again. In the case
+> of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we
+> call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council,
+> or from all registered contributors in LDAP).
+
+This looks like a good plan.
+
+I suggest starting the blog post on piratepad. Then sending a first
+draft of the blog post tomorrow (or when we have something ready) to
+council members to inform them about it and see what they think of it.
+
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+On Fri, 18 May 2012, nicolas vigier wrote:
+
+>
+> This looks like a good plan.
+>
+> I suggest starting the blog post on piratepad. Then sending a first
+> draft of the blog post tomorrow (or when we have something ready) to
+> council members to inform them about it and see what they think of it.
+
+So I propose to start writting text or ideas for blog post on this pad :
+https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+
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+From: "Romain d'Alverny" <rdalverny@gmail.com>
+Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:52:00 +0200
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+Subject: [board-private] mandriva, foundation, business server
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+Hi everyone,
+
+so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to
+get a status.
+
+He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18)
+http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/
+. So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's
+position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among
+which Peroyvind (see
+https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although
+he doesn't have the full story it seems).
+
+He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use
+Mageia as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute
+back. Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business
+server) will get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.
+
+He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming
+days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its
+Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its
+foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff
+sometimes goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is
+said, he does mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it
+cool and neutral on our side too.
+
+So, here's a suggested plan:
+
+ * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning
+(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related
+news:
+ - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation
+project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),
+ - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech
+platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back.
+ - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not
+so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on
+Mageia".
+
+ * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days
+to propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday
+evening) - interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the
+previous days, and this release news will hide partially the previous
+news.
+
+ * until now, all this has been kept private in board-private: a)
+knowledge and decision about the foundation, and b) business server
+thing. Note that about a), people may question both the decision and
+the fact that it was private, without consulting the Council. We will
+mail privately Council members to inform them about both a) and b),
+but still. We won't need further arguments than what we explained to
+Mandriva, and what the governance says. But still again. In the case
+of things getting really ugly in the coming weeks, I'd suggest that we
+call for a vote of confidence to make things very clear (from Council,
+or from all registered contributors in LDAP).
+
+Sorry to make this quick, but we need to approve/reject/amend on this
+before tomorrow Saturday (even better, this evening) so we can discuss
+this with Council members in private too before Monday morning.
diff --git a/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-20 1131.eml b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-20 1131.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..1ae4a52 --- /dev/null +++ b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com> - 2012-05-20 1131.eml @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +Return-Path: <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:31:36 +0200
+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Hi everyone,
+
+This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias
+(council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions.
+
+I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following
+last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset.
+
+=================
+
+so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to
+get a status.
+
+He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18)
+http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/.
+So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's
+position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among
+which Peroyvind (see
+https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he
+doesn't have the full story it seems).
+
+He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia
+as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back.
+Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will
+get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.
+
+He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming
+days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its
+Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its
+foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes
+goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does
+mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on
+our side too.
+
+So, here's a suggested plan:
+
+ * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning
+(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news:
+ - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation
+project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),
+ - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech
+platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back.
+ - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not
+so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on
+Mageia".
+
+ * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to
+propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) -
+interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and
+this release news will hide partially the previous news.
+
+===================
+
+It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will
+make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told
+about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and
+organization which are now working quite well.
+
+So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain
+it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement
+is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of
+its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content.
+
+So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published
+on monday morning:
+https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+
+native english speakers needed for proofread :)
+
+Waiing for your comments
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
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+From: "Romain d'Alverny" <rdalverny@gmail.com>
+Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 16:09:25 +0200
+Message-ID: <CANa9xwt_9=B3kCuStXADVO46wyGrfDTitywoKgsspg-UPkGohw@mail.gmail.com>
+Subject: Re: Following with Mandriva discussions
+To: council@group.mageia.org
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+
+FYI, here's a copy of the answer sent to JM Croset about not
+participating to Mandriva foundation workgroup.
+
+Translation first, original in French below.
+
+Dear Jean-Manuel,
+
+thank you very much for this information and this invitation.
+
+Without regret or disdain, after discussion with other board members,
+I can tell you that we are not interested in joining this workgroup.
+
+- Mageia would have been the ideal collaboration hub for such an
+entity, to join and grow, precisely to play such a role; but it did
+not happen, probably because our governance rules don't fit
+[Mandriva's] Supervisory Board; so be it. We will not walk another
+road, this very governance has been defined as it is for very specific
+reasons.
+
+- we spent a lot of time, energy, conversations, to define Mageia on
+several levels. And we went on producing stuff, and regularly put
+things back to work.
+
+- we don't have much information about trends behind the future
+entity, what are the goals of each of the potential participants. Ours
+are public and clear since day 1.
+
+- we don't have the means (neither the wish) to disperse further our
+(small) means on a new thing to define and build, we think our
+priorities are elsewhere at this point.
+
+- this won't prevent each of us to collaborate, since our tools and
+technos will be Free Software.
+
+
+Feel free to share the above reasons, they will be the same if we are
+asked why we chose not to participate.
+
+And we wish you good luck, and temper, for this endeavour.
+
+----
+
+Cher Jean-Manuel,
+
+merci beaucoup de votre invitation et de cette information.
+
+Sans regret ni d=E9dain, apr=E8s discussion et m=FBre r=E9flexion avec les
+membres du bureau, je peux vous informer que nous ne sommes pas
+int=E9ress=E9s =E0 participer =E0 ce groupe de travail.
+
+ - Mageia nous aurait sembl=E9, a priori, id=E9al, comme hub de
+collaboration =E0 investir et grossir, pour remplir pr=E9cis=E9ment le r=F4=
+le
+d'une telle entit=E9 ; mais cela n'a pas eu lieu, probablement parce que
+le mode de gouvernance (point cl=E9 s'il en est) ne convient pas au
+Conseil de Surveillance ; dont acte. Nous ne nous engagerons pas sur
+une autre voie, cette gouvernance a =E9t=E9 d=E9finie pour des raisons tr=
+=E8s
+pr=E9cises.
+
+ - nous avons investi beaucoup de temps, d'=E9nergie, de discussions, =E0
+d=E9finir Mageia, sur plusieurs plans. Et puis nous sommes pass=E9s =E0
+l'=E9tape de production, et remettons r=E9guli=E8rement les choses =E0 plat=
+.
+
+ - nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'information sur les tendances qui se
+dessinent derri=E8re cette future entit=E9, quels sont les objectifs et
+les buts des uns et des autres. Les n=F4tres sont clairs et publics
+depuis le 1er jour.
+
+ - nous n'avons donc pas les moyens (ni le souhait) de disperser
+davantage nos (encore faibles) moyens sur une nouvelle entit=E9 =E0
+d=E9finir et construire, car nous pensons que nos priorit=E9s sont
+ailleurs =E0 ce stade.
+
+ - cela n'emp=EAchera pas, =E0 l'avenir, de collaborer sur le plan
+technique, puisque nos outils et technos respectives seront libres.
+
+Voil=E0. Sentez-vous libre de transmettre ces raisons, elles seront au
+c=9Cur de nos r=E9ponses si l'on nous pose la question de notre
+non-participation =E0 votre initiative.
+
+Et nous vous souhaitons bonne chance, et de l'=E9nergie, pour cette entrepr=
+ise.
+
+Bien cordialement,
+
+Romain d'Alverny
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+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>
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+Le 20/05/2012 11:31, Anne Nicolas a écrit :
+> Hi everyone
+
+Please try to add comments on all this, even if it's short. We need as
+many feedbacks as possible until tomorrow on this mail and on pad
+
+Cheers
+
+>
+> This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias
+> (council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions.
+>
+> I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following
+> last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset.
+>
+> =================
+>
+> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to
+> get a status.
+>
+> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18)
+> http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/.
+> So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's
+> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among
+> which Peroyvind (see
+> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he
+> doesn't have the full story it seems).
+>
+> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia
+> as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back.
+> Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will
+> get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.
+>
+> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming
+> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its
+> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its
+> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes
+> goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does
+> mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on
+> our side too.
+>
+> So, here's a suggested plan:
+>
+> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning
+> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news:
+> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation project
+> (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),
+> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech platform
+> for its business server line (link) and contribute back.
+> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not so
+> simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on Mageia".
+>
+> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to
+> propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) -
+> interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and
+> this release news will hide partially the previous news.
+>
+> ===================
+>
+> It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will
+> make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told
+> about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and
+> organization which are now working quite well.
+>
+> So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain
+> it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement
+> is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of
+> its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content.
+>
+> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published
+> on monday morning:
+> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation
+>
+> native english speakers needed for proofread :)
+>
+> Waiing for your comments
+>
+> Cheers
+>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+http://mageia.org
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